Marriage licenses were invented to prevent miscegeny. It is about control.
By The Dean of Cincinnati on 12/02/2008 In the article 'Impact Cincinnati to Launch Three Month Awareness Campaign about Equal Marriage in Ohio '.
What about this nugget - I’d like to know why Mayor Mallory has an extra $50k tucked in the budget for another staffer in his office? Isn’t eight enough? Want to know where your Arts money is going, well there you go.
By Curious George on 12/02/2008 In the article 'City says "bye-bye" to half a million, amidst budgetary crisis '.
I can address those other issues if you wish, but let us stick to marriage for now.
Why does the state need to certify marriages?
By Mr. Scott Ryan on 12/02/2008 In the article 'Impact Cincinnati to Launch Three Month Awareness Campaign about Equal Marriage in Ohio '.
C’mon, Scott—marriage is just like those other things that require a license. You know, like owning a dog, or hunting for wild meat. Maybe exercising patience in hopes of catching a great big fish.
And driving.
Republicans, as usual, make a big mistake.
The issue is not about what the state should sanction as a marriage, but whether marriage should be sanctioned at all by the state.
I hope everyone had a happy thanksgiving.
Yes Kudos to SmitherMan!
By Citizens Against Joe Deters on 12/02/2008 In the article 'Cincinnati NAACP Celebrates a Win with the Freedom of Timothy Reed '.
rhondapc, I think Chomsky consistently gives a good analysis of power and what’s going on in the world. He never seems to advocate any specific kind of civic action. He always says that’s up to people like you to decide. He did seem to encourage a lesser evil vote though even in safe states. I don’t know how that helps build the mass movements that he says are needed to bring about real change and democracy here.
By Justin Jeffre on 12/02/2008 In the article 'Noam Chomsky: “What Next? The Elections, the Economy, and the World” '.
From what I see of the facts in the case, the NAACP did a great job of getting justice for this guy.
Half a million dollar bond!?!!? For issues like this, things need to change.
Any parent who’s kid gets hurt (they all do), could get treated like this guy.
By Good Job on 12/02/2008 In the article 'Cincinnati NAACP Celebrates a Win with the Freedom of Timothy Reed '.
Obama white? Yeah right!
Dean of Cincinnati you are 100% correct in your (bi-racial) argument. Still America decided a long time ago what color Barack Obama is. Sadly, some in America don’t see the grey areas. They only see what they want to see. Meaning you’re black. You’re white. You’re a republican. You’re a democrat. You’re fat. You’re skinny, etc. Yet people can and are other things (Not a Dem not a Repub), etc….
Race is a sensitive topic for many of us….especially me.
By Citizens Against Joe Deters on 12/02/2008 In the article 'News Rules? The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gannett's Newsroom Code, The AP Stylebook, and Obama's Race '.
So, Alex, it looks like you know how to submit questions to that site. I’d like to request you submit a follow up.
If you return to the main article above, you will see that I’ve already referenced the entries on “African American” and “black.” They do not have anything to say about multiracial people.
Why doesn’t the AP Stylebook have an entry for multiracial people?
Why are Obama’s choices “African-American,” “black,” or “multiracial.” Why can’t he be “white”?
By The Dean of Cincinnati on 12/02/2008 In the article 'News Rules? The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gannett's Newsroom Code, The AP Stylebook, and Obama's Race '.
Well, I got an answer, and I don’t think you’ll like it, Jason. Basically, the Enquirer _is_ following the AP. Here’s the question and answer with AP editor David Minthorn:
”As Barack Obama becomes the new president, we’re getting into squabbles with readers over whether he is the “first African-American president” or “first black president” because he is bi-racial. But on his Web site, he refers to himself as African-American. Does AP have a stand on this issue? – from Cincinnati, Ohio on Mon, Dec 01, 2008
AP stories use both terms for President-elect Barack Obama. See stylebook’s “African-American” and “black” entries.”
http://apstylebook.com/ask_editor.php
So as far as AP is concerned, they are following their own stylebook, which means the Enquirer is “correct” (insofar as they’re not) when they say they are following AP style.
By Alex on 12/01/2008 In the article 'News Rules? The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gannett's Newsroom Code, The AP Stylebook, and Obama's Race '.
In hindsight I can see I was being too flippant in my first response to this article.
Really, I’m just disappointed in Chomsky (and other publicly recognized people) for not being brave enough to say these things before the election was over. Chomsky figured out Brand Obama before the votes were counted, so why couldn’t he say something once he figured it out?
People who have the ear of the nation and can see that people are being duped are called to speak their perspective. Otherwise, their integrity is in question. I think it is honorable that Chomsky can say this now, at least, but his words have a lot less power than they would have had.
By rhondapc on 12/01/2008 In the article 'Noam Chomsky: “What Next? The Elections, the Economy, and the World” '.
Why is it ok for caribian-americans to refer to themselves as african-americans but its not ok biracial americans to refer to themselves that way, and for a newspaper to report them as such, according to the AP stylebook.
By anon on 12/01/2008 In the article 'News Rules? The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gannett's Newsroom Code, The AP Stylebook, and Obama's Race '.
cincysuz,
http://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Black-Selves-Narratives-Generation/dp/0814756913
Product Description In 1965, the Hart-Cellar Immigration Reform Act ushered in a huge wave of immigrants from across the Caribbean—Jamaicans, Cubans, Haitians, and Dominicans, among others. How have these immigrants and their children negotiated languages of race and ethnicity in American social and cultural politics? As black immigrants, to which America do they assimilate? Constructing Black Selves explores the cultural production of second-generation Caribbean immigrants in the United States after World War II as a prism for understanding the formation of Caribbean American identity. Lisa D. McGill pays particular attention to music, literature, and film, centering her study around the figures of singer-actor Harry Belafonte, writers Paule Marshall, Audre Lorde, and Piri Thomas, and meringue-hip-hop group Proyecto Uno. Illuminating the ways in which Caribbean identity has been transformed by mass migration to urban landscapes, as well as the dynamic and sometimes conflicted relationship between Caribbean American and African American cultural politics, Constructing Black Selves is an important contribution to studies of twentieth century U.S. immigration, African American and Afro-Caribbean history and literature, and theories of ethnicity and race.
Product Description In 1965, the Hart-Cellar Immigration Reform Act ushered in a huge wave of immigrants from across the Caribbean—Jamaicans, Cubans, Haitians, and Dominicans, among others. How have these immigrants and their children negotiated languages of race and ethnicity in American social and cultural politics? As black immigrants, to which America do they assimilate?
Constructing Black Selves explores the cultural production of second-generation Caribbean immigrants in the United States after World War II as a prism for understanding the formation of Caribbean American identity. Lisa D. McGill pays particular attention to music, literature, and film, centering her study around the figures of singer-actor Harry Belafonte, writers Paule Marshall, Audre Lorde, and Piri Thomas, and meringue-hip-hop group Proyecto Uno.
Illuminating the ways in which Caribbean identity has been transformed by mass migration to urban landscapes, as well as the dynamic and sometimes conflicted relationship between Caribbean American and African American cultural politics, Constructing Black Selves is an important contribution to studies of twentieth century U.S. immigration, African American and Afro-Caribbean history and literature, and theories of ethnicity and race.
Now re-read the AP Stylebook entry for “African-American.” Get it yet?
I’m not making all this stuff up. I have citations from external sources to substantiate all my claims. My detractors cannot refute my conclusions.
By The Dean of Cincinnati on 12/01/2008 In the article 'News Rules? The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gannett's Newsroom Code, The AP Stylebook, and Obama's Race '.
But some things never change. “Accuracy is essential,” Wiley insisted. Still a true fact.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081123/COL05/811230389/1004/COL
You have some kind of sliding scale rule that makes it acceptable for someone to follow their own preference but only if they’re black enough. Caribbean, perhaps. By your standard, all bets are off if you’re are a caucasian mix. You’re the guy applying the one drop rule. But of course Caribbean Americans come in all shades and hues so you’d be hard pressed to apply your rule. And your secular Appalachian Jew example is no more relevant to this discussion than Obama calling himself a Chicago Baptist or someone else being a Midwest Catholic.
By cincysuz on 12/01/2008 In the article 'News Rules? The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gannett's Newsroom Code, The AP Stylebook, and Obama's Race '.
The Mayor has NO real power. When will everyone finally realize this. Now hear this. Now hear this. The Emperor has no clothes!
By Fishbein on 12/01/2008 In the article 'Mayor Mallory's Budget Proposal '.
Following a person’s preference relates to whether an American black person of African descent prefers “black,” or “African-American,” or perhaps “Caribbean-American” if applicable.
The preference of someone who is not in that category strikes me as irrelevant. Obama can call himself whatever he likes. So, too, can I call myself a secular Appalachian Jew. However, if the Enquirer wrote a story about me, in which my ethnic identity were relevant, I presume they’d call me white and not what I “prefer”—especially since I’m not a secular Appalachian Jew.
And Obama is not black. He’s multiracial.
I’m trying to find my access code to the online AP Stylebook, which is updated throughout the year, rather than once a year like the written one. I’m not sure if they have anything about Obama there, but I’ll check.
However, having found more AP stories that refer to him as black or African-American, I suspect AP is deferring to Obama’s written statements on his Web site, in which he refers to himself as African-American. He does not, to my knowledge, refer to himself as a “mutt” on that site. That would follow their guideline about “Follow a person’s preference”
Obama supports NAFTA the job killing trade deal. He said he didn’t on the campaign trail but then flip flopped and said that was just “overheated rhetoric” after he won the nomination. He doesn’t support a living wage for all workers. He won’t even discuss repealing the anti-labor Taft-Hartley act. He supports a pay or die health care system and calls it universal health care. He supports the wars and was elected because uninformed people thought he was opposed to the wars.
Of course you’ll hear no criticism from cincysuz on any of this. The best she can do is try to change the subject and pretend that everybody but Obama is a Republican and a corporate shill, but the election is over and Obama is the President-elect and part of the topic of Noam Chomsky’s speech, Ralph Nader isn’t.
By Justin Jeffre on 12/01/2008 In the article 'Noam Chomsky: “What Next? The Elections, the Economy, and the World” '.
Why are the people uninformed?
The corporate controlled media doesn’t give people the information they need to be informed, they give them corporate propaganda disguised as news. The right pretends there’s a liberal media bias so people think that when the NY Times is spewing the BS the warmongers leak to them that it must be true.
Why do some people vote and then go home?
Because it’s easier to pretend that Obama or Kerry are going to give us change than to work for real change by challenging their lies and corporate policies.
Why were the people of Haiti and Bolivia able to put up a grass roots effort while the USA has all of the advantages of communication available to them that aren’t available to Haiti and Bolivia?
They understand the issues quite clearly. There were the people that wanted to privatize their water and other resources and then there were the people that wanted the people to have water and to get some of the revenue from the peoples resources. They had mass movements going. Here people don’t know the issues and people vote for pro-war candidates like Obama and Kerry thinking that that’s going to end the war. There they aren’t afraid to vote for the candidate that represents their own interest because they understand a lesser evil is still evil.
Yes, the democratically elected government in Haiti was overthrown by the US. The US government only supports dictators like Uribe and then pretends legitimate governments are the dictatorships.
cincysuz, why are you so obsessed with Ralph Nader? This post isn’t about him. You cannot constantly hijack every thread. I’ve warned you about this too many times. Next time I’ll just delete you’re off topic nonsense.
Noam Chomsky makes money speaking all around the world and from the many books he’s written, so what. Chomsky and Nader aren’t anti-corporation; they are against corporate crime and corporate control of the country and the world because it is destroying our nation and our planet.
You don’t like that Chomsky has spoken the truth about Brand Obama-the corporation’s new salesman for the American empire. Instead of discussing the issues that Chomsky has raised you are attacking the messenger. I’m sure Obama has stocks and he’s a multi-millionaire that has actually voted to fund the war in Iraq and he’s going to escalate the quagmire in Afghanistan (with no criticism from you).
I’ve never heard Chomsky or Nader criticize anyone for owning stocks and I pay attention to what they are writing and saying. They criticize the fact that big business has control over Washington and is driving our country into the ground. They think that the people should own the government and the corporations should serve us instead of being our masters. You understand, don’t you?
As Chomsky said, the people Obama’s surrounding himself with shouldn’t be handed appointments, they should be getting subpoenas because they are the people that created the market meltdown with their deregulation.
Then the AP does not follow his own stylebook.
If you disagree, please prove me wrong with a citation from the stylebook.
I would also point out that AP apparently considers Obama black. From an AP story:
“Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D912O5FG0&show_article=1
You might check this link as well:
http://blogs.chron.com/aboutchron/archives/2008/11/obama_black_bir_1.html
“The Houston Chronicle along with other major news organizations describe Obama’s race as black because it is the preferred term to describe black Americans and it is how he identifies himself. In keeping with Associated Press style, we use the term African-American only in quotations or if individuals describe themselves so.
Here’s what Obama said in a 60 Minutes interview with correspondent Steve Kroft:
“I am rooted in the African-American community. But I’m not defined by it. I am comfortable in my racial identity. But that’s not all I am.”
Noting Obama’s life in a white household, Kroft asked if Obama at some point decided that he was black. Obama replied:
“Well, I’m not sure I decided it. I think, you know, if you look African American in this society, you’re treated as an African-American. And when you’re a child in particular, that is how you begin to identify yourself. “
Dean,
It sure seems like the Enquirer is applying the same standard to Mr. Obama as most other news organizations. I would think that many of them would also follow the AP style guide. Also, it seems that Mr. Obama doesn’t really define himself by race or doesn’t really take the time to think about it all that much (at least not as much as you do). He’s half black, half white and he’s married to a black woman and raising two 3/4 black kids. But, is there any substance to this issue? (note: i am not saying there is no substance to the issue of racisim, just that there isn’t much substance to your problem with the enquirer following the same rules as every other news organization in the country).
It sure seems like there are other important problems with the enquirer without blowing this one out of proportion.
By NtotheC on 12/01/2008 In the article 'News Rules? The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gannett's Newsroom Code, The AP Stylebook, and Obama's Race '.
