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Monday, July 07, 2008
Rx for Wulsin: Blow the Whistle on Heimlich’s Ongoing Experiments
Posted by The Dean of Cincinnati
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According to Bill Sloat’s Daily Bellwether blog, the July 3 ABC News blog item by Joseph Rhee induced a fever at the Wulsin For Congress campaign. Just the title of the ABC report may have been enough to give them the sweats: Democratic Congressional Candidate’s Ties to Bizarre AIDS Research - Dr. Victoria Wulsin Is Under Attack for Her Ties to a Debunked Research Project Seeking to Cure AIDS with Malaria.
The Bellwether posted aggressive letters from Dr. Victoria Wulsin and her campaign manager Kevin Franck, attacking Rhee’s reporting as a hit piece and encouraging Wulsin supporters to growl at ABC. Here’s part of a long letter from Franck to Brian Ross (Rhee is Ross’s producer) per The Bellwether:
I understand your unit’s interest in Dr. Heimlich and his crazy ideas, but you should know that Dr. Wulsin is one of the medical experts who has publicly said his ideas are crazy.
We’re unaware that Dr. Wulsin ever said Dr. Heimlich’s ideas are “crazy,” but we appreciate Franck for clarifying her opinion. We also appreciate Bill Sloat interrupting his holiday weekend in order to report the Wulsin campaign’s information.
However, given the recent media interest, Wulsin’s malaria problem is unlikely to go into remission unless she takes definitive action. This March 3, 2008 Wulsin For Congress media release may offer the cure:
Vic Wulsin blew the whistle on a potentially dangerous therapy and asked questions about the ethical standards being used in the research. She didn’t stay silent - she spoke up, and lost her job for doing it.
But this claim is bogus. “Blowing the whistle” means reporting misconduct to the authorities. There’s no indication Dr. Wulsin ever did so. The Democratic Party must urge her to do so now and here’s why:
1) She’s being beaten up by her Republican opponent on this and that’s unlikely to subside. Via PolitickerOH.com, here’s a road map from Barry Bennett from Rep. Jean Schmidt’s office:
Our problem with her behavior is she was called in to review all this. And she wrote a nice report to the organization about how they could take this to the next step. Never once did she call the authorities. Never once did she say that it’s immoral. Never once did she say that it’s unjust. She wrote her report. They wrote her a check. And she cashed it.
2) According to this excerpt from a 2007 speech given by Dr. Heimlich, the “malariotherapy” experiments were ongoing. That’s three years after Dr. Wulsin allegedly “blew the whistle”:
Here’s the text from that video excerpt:
Heimlich: More recently, a study was done by others, but I was in touch with them. In a city in Africa. Many of the African tribes, tribal peoples are against putting or taking drugs, so they let them be exposed ... to infected mosquitoes to get (plasmodium) vivax ... With these cases, they sent the bloods to laboratories in Germany and in the United States. They found that the blood of these patients, most of them, there was no virus detectable. We don’t have long enough follow ups, but we can at least say that this has been accomplished. And we should be giving more thought to boosting the immune system instead of giving drugs. We’re in a position where I think we will be able to do it in large numbers, several months from now.
Doesn’t that last sentence sound like the experiments may still be going on? Retired or not, according to the Heimlich Institute website, Dr. Heimlich is active and continues to make public appearances. By taking action, Dr. Wulsin could protect vulnerable patients from abuse. That trumps anything to do with politics. It speaks to the oath she took when she become a physician.
How to proceed? According to her 2003 CV, Dr. Wulsin has an extensive background in public health, having worked for federal agencies like the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention and USAID. In other words, she doesn’t need me to explain the rules, but here are some suggestions.
First, she can publicly demand that the Heimlich Institute board members, all of whom are prominent Cincinnatians, provide all details about the US and German labs doing the blood work and to identify who’s giving Dr. Heimlich the information and who’s funding the work.
Second, Dr. Wulsin can file complaints. I’m no expert, but the Heimlich experiments may have violated the guidelines of the US Department of Health and Human Services Office for Human Research Subjects Protection. Also, transport of blood samples is closely regulated. Did the samples to the labs in the US and Germany follow International Air Transport Association guidelines? Dr. Wulsin can ask IATA to get involved.
Now that she has a national media platform, Dr. Wulsin could seize this moment and flip it to her advantage. By really blowing the whistle, she could defend her reputation, prove her leadership skills and her fitness for national office, and also defuse future attacks by Team Schmidt. Most importantly, Dr. Wulsin may be protecting patients from being used to prove what she calls Dr. Heimlich’s “crazy ideas.”
Instead of feverishly attacking reporters, Dr. Wulsin could put the issue to rest by doing the right thing. Otherwise, voters in the Ohio 2nd District may be left with the burning suspicion that she’s got something to hide.
NOTE TO READERS: If you’re unfamiliar with “malariotherapy” and the related issues, check out Thomas Francis’s Radar Magazine article which includes information about Dr. Wulsin and a Bay Area car rental agent who says he supervised AIDS experiments on African sex workers on behalf the Heimlich Institute.
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07 Jul 2008 at 10:15 am | #
Fair challenge and a line in the sand Wulsin needs to cross.
If she doesn’t, best interpretation is she’s ineffectual and/or chicken. If she doesn’t have the stones to take on the puny Heimlich Institute, how’s she going to handle insurance company PACS? Worst interpretation? She’s hiding something naughty.
07 Jul 2008 at 11:21 am | #
I agree. This is a no brainer. I can’t imagine it’s good campaign policy to send angry emails to ABC. If anything, that will just inspire more stories. And no matter how great Wulsin’s response, every time she gets hit with one of these headlines, it’s bad for her campaign.
She should take control of the situation, and call out the Institute. She should file reports, and make a big deal about how she is working to address the concerns about the malaria work. And if she can’t figure that out, the Democratic Party should persuade her. In addition to being good politics, it’s just the right thing to do anyway.
07 Jul 2008 at 11:35 am | #
It’s also worth noting that the recent flurry of Wulsin-Heimlich articles and blog posts were set off by only two itty-bitty sentences in last month’s Schmidt fundraising letter. If she can trigger that kind of interest about “malariotherapy” by barely lifting a finger, imagine what happens when Jean really gets mean.
Wulsin needs to jackhammer Heimlich and his Institute. She says his ideas are “crazy,” so where’s the downside to putting those crazy ideas out of business?
07 Jul 2008 at 02:06 pm | #
Wulsin can’t afford to blow the whistle on Heimlich. There are records she does not want the public to see. If any of the unwitting patients died could she be an accessory to murder? After all she failed to report these illegal experiments to the proper authorities.
07 Jul 2008 at 07:26 pm | #
If she can’t handle Jason chasing her with a camera- How is she going to handle beltway journalist? Too Bad Tim Russert can’t have a piece of her with this news! He’d have a big piece of her killing people with outdated medicine- killing children and parents- he would fry her on National TV. And then just laugh in her face.
And if she doesn’t call out this error- she might as well just stop now and go home to her own personal shrink of a husband and stay there.
08 Jul 2008 at 02:27 am | #
Here’s the bigger underlying problem with all of this: no organization has ever, ever officially declared that Heimlich’s experiments were unethical. NOONE! Do we find them barbaric? Yes. But, I for one, don’t have the education and experience to understand immunotherapy except to know that it IS a medical treatment commonly used even in such things as the vaccinations we require of all children. If Sabin had been held to the standards you are expecting of Wulsin we would never have eradicated polio… Was Heimlich’s theory “crazy”? It sounds nuts to me but the thing is giving kids the polio virus wherein (even today) a small number of kids gets it in order to save millions, seems crazy too. And look at what we’re learning about autism’s connection to vaccines.
Do you not believe that if Heimlich had done so unethical the governments of affected children wouldn’t be suing the hell out of him and demanding criminal charges?
Bottom line: Wulsin couldn’t “blow the whistle” unless she had evidence of “unethical” conduct under the medical definition (not the common definition or public opinion) if she had she would face defamation. She appears to have perform her duties, per contract, as required and condemned the practices in language as strong as law would allow. The proof is that she was fired.
I maintain , this is a non-story been played against those of us lay persons who have little to no understanding of the medical standards and absent the WHO or any other organization weighing in on the non-issue
08 Jul 2008 at 09:06 am | #
anon 12:27: no organization has ever, ever officially declared that Heimlich’s experiments were unethical. NOONE!...I maintain , this is a non-story been played against those of us lay persons who have little to no understanding of the medical standards and absent the WHO or any other organization weighing in on the non-issue
Per the CIRCARE bioethics website and numerous other sources (including the 2004 front page Enquirer article linked above), the Heimlich Institute’s “malariotherapy” experiments have been investigated and censured by the CDC, the FDA, and leading experts like the NIH’s Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Peter Lurie at Public Citizen, and on and on: http://www.circare.org/malariotherapy.htm
As for the World Health Organization, from Bhutta’s WHO paper on human subjects abuse (my highlighting): http://tinyurl.com/5s3l54
The recent guidelines for regulation of human experimentation must be seen in the backdrop of atrocities committed by doctors upon vulnerable subjects within recent memory. The highly controversial trials of induction of malaria in HIV patients (Heimlich et al 1997) and the trovafloxacin trial in Nigeria (Boseley 2001, Stephens 2000 & 2001) are two recent examples.
anon 12:27 may have arrived at such an erroneous conclusion by relying on the bibliography in Wulsin’s so-called “literature review” (December 2004): http://tinyurl.com/6cym4l Curiously, Dr. Wulsin failed to cite Bhutta’s 2002 report or citations to any of the other numerous critical reports and articles about the well-documented 25 years of abusive research conducted by the Heimlich Institute in Mexico, China, Africa, and elsewhere.
However, anon 12:27 is absolutely right that lay people need to rely on those with medical expertise to do the heavy lifting. That’s why a public health expert (and now a public figure with media access) like Dr. Wulsin should report Dr. Heimlich, the Heimlich Institute, and parent corporation Deaconess Associations to legal authorities. Doing so would hold them accountable and help put an end to any more “atrocities” conducted by those organizations. (By the way, does Deaconess have an IRB?)
Come to think of it, what a terrific political platform for Dr. Vic! She could help bring public awareness to the worldwide issue of abusive human subjects research using her personal knowledge of the despicable Heimlich experiments as a jumping-off point. Others may wish to suggest that to her at public events….
08 Jul 2008 at 05:33 pm | #
Correction re: my previous post. The referenced front page Enquirer article was February 16, 2003. From the same period, numerous other newspapers and a few journals reported the Heimlich Institute-UCLA China “malariotherapy” mess (New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Lancet, etc.): http://tinyurl.com/6gn22h
What all these articles have in common is that none were included in the bibliography of Dr. Wulsin’s report: http://tinyurl.com/6cym4l In fact, her upbeat, uncritical report includes no mention whatsoever of the entire UCLA collision. That’s an editorial choice which sentient beings may find conspicuous by its absence.
But there you have the ongoing problem with both her report and the comic acrobatic defenses of her conduct from Dr. Wulsin herself and her supporters like anon 12:27. Too much is missing.
It’s reasonable to anticipate that if Dr. Wulsin fails to fill in the blanks, the Schmidt campaign and its supporters will. As the Beacon recommends, Dr. Vic would do well to quickly call for as many investigations of Heimlich as she can come up with and to shout it from the rooftops, lest voters get the idea that she has not precisely told the truth.
08 Jul 2008 at 06:43 pm | #
No she couldn’t. she had nothing to do with the experiments themselves.
08 Jul 2008 at 07:42 pm | #
BULLSHIT! Cite anything you want. If, after all this time and all the publicity you have referenced, not a single official organization has launched AND found unethical conduct by Heimlich - then, THERE IS NO STORY. She couldn’t do more. Her hands were tied.
I don’t know Wulsin. I am not a “supporter”. But this character assassination is over the top. You expect her to do alone what no Organization has found probable cause to do.
IF you really care - spend your time attacking Heimlich and writing the organizations who’s job it is to monitor these experiments. They are the ones who have the responsiblity, Wulsin, it appears did everything she could within her power and was fired for doing it. I might be inclined to call her a hero for standing by her principles and refusing to cover it up and giving an honest report.
08 Jul 2008 at 07:52 pm | #
This is not about the ethics of Dr. Heimlich or his experiments. This is about the ethics of a candidate to represent the people of Southern Ohio in Congress. If Dr. Vic would tell the truth she wouldn’t have to dance so much and she could look people straight in the eye instead of hiding under a rock and avoiding this issue. Her actions speak so loudly that it is hard to hear her words. At the very least she should look for new advisers because she is a victim of bad advice. No amount of cuteness will save her because the bitch with the broom will make a clean sweep.
08 Jul 2008 at 07:58 pm | #
needed76: she had nothing to do with the experiments themselves.
Polite correction for accuracy. Should be “Dr. Wulsin has stated she had nothing to do with the experiments.” Big dif.
That said, the “accessory to murder” comment is way off-base and distracts from some very serious and identifiable issues. The Schmidt campaign has alleged that Dr. Wulsin “participated” in the experiments. (Not surpisingly, that was met with cries of “foul” and “liar” by Team Wulsin.)
First, to define terms, “participation” does not have to mean sticking the needle in a patient. For example, it’s reasonable to assume Dr. Heimlich himself has never done that. Nevertheless, he helped fund, organize, and supervise the experiments. I doubt anyone would argue that he “participated,” fair enough?
According to the Ethiopian car rental salesman quoted in the Radar article, the African HIV+ patients were not deliberately infected with malaria, but acquired it naturally. (It’s not unreasonable to question whether he was lying. Also Wulsin’s report says the patients were infected.)
But even if you believe the car rental guy’s version, treatment for HIV was withheld from the patients so that the effects of the malaria (regardless of how it was acquired) could be studied by Heimlich’s people.
Withholding treatment is the core issue of the notorious Tuskegee experiments. Some of the syphilis patients were given proper medical care; some were given placebos. That standard of care is universally condemned as unacceptable. That’s why the Tuskegee experiments are referred to a medical atrocity and why the WHO report above said the same about Heimlich’s China experiments.
Which brings us back to Dr. Wulsin. It’s inarguable that by failing to report the Heimlich experiments to legal oversight organizations, she “participated” in denying the subjects acceptable standard of care. Is she guilty of worse than that? We don’t know yet, but her failure to report the experiments raises legitimate questions.
She appears to have been less than forthcoming when it comes to answering these and other questions. For example, here’s one question she needs to answer ASAP. Her report refers to “an American sponsor” who funded the Heimlich experiments. She has refused to name this sponsor. Also there are individuals named in the report who can be contacted and asked for more information. Perhaps they already have been.
If you think her political opponents are not focusing on such details, go back to
Romper Room. It’s a poltical cliche, but it’s still true: the best strategy is usually to get in front of a problem. Wulsin should show all her cards immediately, otherwise she’s going to be drawn & quartered from now until November and her supporters can’t blame Schmidt. It’s Wulsin’s job to do Wulsin’s job.
08 Jul 2008 at 10:17 pm | #
anon 5:42 it appears did everything she could within her power and was fired for doing it. I might be inclined to call her a hero
I’d call her a Superhero. Turns out she has the ability to manipulate time! From last week’s ABC story: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5301370&page=1
In December of 2004, Wulsin submitted a draft report to Heimlich that concluded that “the preponderance of evidence indicates that neither malaria or Immunotherapy will cure HIV/AIDS.” Wulsin said the following day she was fired by Heimlich. “I challenged the science and ethics of immunotherapy, malaria therapy. I didn’t realize how much it was a challenge to his ethics and his science until he fired me,” said Wulsin.
But from the 1/21/05 Cincinnati Business Courier: http://showip.be/url/ca7
Dr. Victoria Wells is an epidemiologist who specializes in women’s health issues, particularly the spread of AIDS in Africa. Last February, she was hired by the Heimlich Institute to do a four-month literature review of malariotherapy, a review that ended with her recommendation that the institute should not continue active research.
“Last February” for four months = February-May 2004.
Holy malariatherapy, Batman! SuperVickie submitted her report eight months before it was written.
(Man, now ain’t that a super power every public official and office worker would dearly love to possess?)
08 Jul 2008 at 11:30 pm | #
Bite me. This is Bullshit. This is a congressional candidate and a famous doctor nationwide——if there was any freakin’ way they could nail them with some type of charge—- it would have already happened.
This is the worst that blogs have to offer.
09 Jul 2008 at 02:03 am | #
Absolutely dead-on, Dean.
Tom Blumer
BizzyBlog.com
09 Jul 2008 at 09:19 am | #
Annon14, The only reason that this hasn’t been paid any attention too- is that no one has been tracking any dates until now. They have taken The Famous Dr. Heimlich at his Hallowed Word and Gospel. Jason and the Cleveland Scene and The ABC Story put things together. The story is out there. People are NOW paying attention. So- this isn’t bullshit. This is NOW reality. And Vic better start to pay attention to the 8 month time game that SHE created. She made a Huge mistake and running away from Jason was her first mistake. She can’t run in Washington!
09 Jul 2008 at 11:51 am | #
anon 9:30 (Dr. Wulsin) is a congressional candidate and a famous doctor nationwide
Famous? Per her 2003 CV, it appears Dr. Wulsin’s last fulltime job was from 1997-2001 at Cincinnati’s Health Resource Center. Respectable work, to be sure, but hardly the Mayo. Which may account for why she was willing to consider this employment opportunity described in Cincinnati Magazine, 12/05: http://winston8.true.ws/
In 2004, (Dr. Wulsin) was approached by Heimlich and the board about becoming the director of the institute. Wulsin felt it would be a good fit for her. “I was very interested in AIDS in Africa, and that was one of the areas that the Heimlich Institute is interested in,” she says. But the salary she was offered ($75,000) was low, even for someone accustomed to working in public health. Moreover she felt the salary suggested that she wouldn’t really be given the reins. “I’m interested in being a decision-maker, not just an adjunct to Hank,” she says. “So I declined the offer.”
Note that she turned down the job because of concerns regarding the salary and chain of command. There’s no indication avoided the work because the Heimlich Institute was conducting medical atrocity experiments (WHO report et al) which are not a sideline at the Heimlich Institute. “Malariotherapy” has been their primary research project for 20+ years.
In any case, it’s an overstatement to refer to her as “a famous doctor nationwide,” although that could certainly change in days to come.
if there was any freakin’ way they could nail them with some type of charge—- it would have already happened.
Unfortunately, culpability and being able to successfully nail an individual are too often mutually exclusive. Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and a well-known Cincinnati class action attorney are a few examples which spring to mind.
The public depends on strong, courageous leaders to bring bad players to heel. That’s why it’s imperative for Dr. Wulsin take responsibility by reporting Dr. Heimlich and his Institute. Of course, whether she chooses to do so or not is her business, but that decision may influence voters in the Ohio 2nd congressional district.
09 Jul 2008 at 04:21 pm | #
If Wulsin blows the whistle on Heimlich now she will open the door for further attacks as to why, as a health care professional, she did not report the atrocities years ago. Wulsin did not try to stop Steve Black’s attacks because there are records she does not want the public to see.
09 Jul 2008 at 11:33 pm | #
The Bigger issue is that we have two physicians involved that both took a certain OATH and BOTH of them have broken that OATH and should first renounce their credentials. Then they should never ever refer to themselves as physicians ever again.
The information that came from the UCLA study was so scary and with the facts involved people have got to stop blowing this off as a “little bullshit” story. This isn’t something to be taken lightly. And listen to Heimlich, this is still going on today with blood samples being shipped to the US today? Who is has the oversite on the clinical trial in the US after everyone has denounced it as dangerous and will not approve it in the US? How is it being done in the US? Would someone like to get to the bottom of that one? Which person or University is putting it’s lab on the line to lose it’s Federal funding for this crap?
This isn’t like playing backyard games, this involves your tax dollars and medicare funding people. So get you heads out of your ass and take note. Yeah- medicare funds clinical labs-so it is your tax dollars funding that is paying to fund these ancient horrific experiments. And she wants to be in Washington? Hello? And have more of my money?
10 Jul 2008 at 01:04 am | #
According to the State Medical Board of Ohio’s website, Dr. Heimlich’s license has been inactive since October 2002, two years before Dr. Wulsin was employed by him: http://tinyurl.com/65n9k3
1) She did not include that fact in her “malariotherapy” report.
2) Apparently Dr. Heimlich has been operating the African AIDS experiments as an Ohio resident who is unlicensed to practice medicine and with no IRB supervision. He has done so using the facilities at Deaconess Hospital. Since Deaconess receives federal dollars, this may be of interest to the Dept. of Health and Human Services.
10 Jul 2008 at 04:31 pm | #
Great! So we have an unlicensed physician who is practicing medicine in the state of Ohio or overseeing medical experiments?
And you people say this is a little bullshit story? How would you like someone without a license to touch your body or run some lab test on your blood without a license? Isn’t this illegal as hell? Don’t people go to jail for this?
Wasn’t their a doctor at University Hospital about 15 years ago trying to be a surgeon and got caught and was in jail? And then he was trying to be a lawyer in N. Ky and went to jail for that too?
You just can’t do this in 2008. It isn’t 1950 any more! Can someone tell me why hasn’t this been stopped? Why hasn’t this been in the paper or on the news? Where are the police? Why is this still going on?
11 Jul 2008 at 06:59 pm | #
Dr. Wulsin was employed by an unlicensed Doctor conducting illegal experiments on unknowing patients overseas. And she didn’t say a word to protect the innocent lives. This story just keeps getting better. Dr. Frankenstein lives again.
17 Jul 2008 at 11:15 pm | #
Jo Dhaynor, are you certain that you had the correct Dr.Heimlich? There is more than 1 Dr Heimlich liscensed in Ohio.
Not that it would matter, as he is not actively treating patients or even directly supervising medical treatment.
He is head of a medical research agency that frankly employs physicians and researchers that are much more qualified than himself. (He is the money and the face… and the arrogant pain in the ###)
As for the Malaria / AIDS study. Heimlich’s research foundation is not the only agency interested in the connection. A story I found on MSN.com (I am not sure of the source newspaper) this very day was discussing the research being conducted in Africa to explore the Malaria/ AIDS connection.
Researchers have found that 80-90% of Africans have a genetic mutation, that their ancestors developed thousands of years ago, that makes them basically immune to 1 type of Malaria. (not ALL Malaria just 1 kind)
Their bodies produce a “coating” of sorts for their red blood cells that keeps the malaria bacteria from being able to infect them.
They have found that unfortunately this same “coating” makes their bodies /white blood cells more susceptible to being infected with HIV.
They have also found that, despite wide spread “non-compliance” with the standard treatments/ medication, these same africans progress to full blown AIDS much slower than non-malaria immune persons.
So obviously, something that SHOULD be investigated indepth.
From my point of view,
1) anything might lead to a better treatment or cure should be investigated.
2) these african nations’s citizens are the most affected by the “AIDS Crisis”, while at the same time having little to no resources to effectively deal with it on their own.
3) as a group, the africans that are being studied, are less willing to follow the current medication regimen, even when the medications are provided free of charge as well as education about HIV/ AIDS. And therefor have the HIGHEST NEED for a different, “easier” treatment.
4) they also have the highest concentration of persons that have the genetic mutation
5) The origin or at least the location where the HIV virus first evolved to be able to infect Homo Sapiens was traced to Africa. The (current) “first” person infected with HIV/ AIDS was a man who emigrated from Africa (In the 40’s, I believe). So the “Key”, is quite likely to be found there.
Just as an interesting side note:
I don’t believe anybody went to Africa thinking, “Hey here’s a bunch of people with HIV/ AIDS with pretty much no political power. We can do anything we want to them and nobody will care.”
The genetic mutation of being immune to one type of malaria was first discovered in the US. They noticed that virus seemed to progress differently in a large number of African Americans. After allot of research, they found that a certain percentage, (like 60%) of African Americans infected with HIV and a much smaller percentage of “white” persons infected with HIV have this anti-malaria mutation.
After some investigation they of course found that the most concentrated population of persons with the mutation are in Africa.
Not only does Africa have the largest concentration of possible research subjects,(The greater the number of subjects the more reliable the results, provided appropriate research methodology is applied.) African’s have highest/ most immediate need.
Not only are they at risk of losing almost their entire population if something doesn’t change soon. What is left of much of the tribal history and the social/ familiar structure is also at risk of being lost as the majority of the uninfected are children too busy caring for their dying parents and siblings to learn the stories of their ancestors.
20 Jul 2008 at 07:47 pm | #
Mrs. B.
Are you very dense or what?
Henry Heimlich last employment was Deaconess Hospital located at 311 Straight Street and was born in 1920. He was a graduate of Cornell Medical School. Take a look at the inactive license.
The point is- this is an unlicensed physician who is supervising unethical clinical trials that have been not been approved by the CDC or the WHO and all regulatory bodies on the friggin’ earth. People have just shuttered at the thought of them. So- got it. There is someone without a license who is responsible for this mess.
Get a grip- This is illegal as hell. No matter how many stats you throw out here. ILLEGAL. Someone should be in jail. And I don’t care how old, febile or running for Congress they may be.