Monday, September 15, 2008

How many white Democrats in Cincinnati are racist?

Posted by Justin Jeffre

Now I’m not saying that Democrats are racist, but I think Tim Burke is.  In this article, chairman of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, Tim Burke, said “I know there is a real concern out there that some people who normally would be voting Democratic might not vote for an African-American.” Adding, “Gov. [Ted] Strickland has spoken openly about this.” Democrat’s make backroom deals that limit voter choice, don’t support black candidates much, they fail to make sure black votes are counted, they slash human services and reject funding that would help alleviate the scandalous infant mortality rate, they continue the failed Drug War and introduce other draconian drug laws that disproportionately lock up blacks.

I know there are a lot of good Democrats at the grassroots level that do good work, but when we talk about the Democratic Party we must look at the policies its politician’s support (jails, wars, NAFTA, corporate welfare) and whether or not they empower people. Most people think of the Grand Old Party (GOP) as being the party of racists, but it seems there’s a lot more that these corporate parties share in common than just gerrymandering and a corporate agenda.

I’ve heard my African American friends talk about racism in the party, but this is the first time I’ve heard party bosses acknowledge it.  According to Salon.com, while campaigning for Obama in Jackson County in the Appalachian southeastern corner of the state earlier this month, Strickland declared, “I’m going to talk about the elephant in the room—and I’m not talking about any Republican. The elephant in the room is what everybody’s thinking but nobody willing to talk about ... it’s race.”

While this is a sad truth I’m glad to hear Strickland being honest about it. I’m sure if the Democrats manage to blow another election that shouldn’t even be close they will quickly forget the elephant and resort to scapegoating Nader or McKinney for “stealing” their votes. They are better at fixing the blame than fixing the problems with our country and their party. Hopefully those Democrats at the grassroots level will shake things up and get tired of the status quo, but one thing should be clear by now. The Democratic Party is clearly beyond reform!

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says:
15 Sep 2008  at  07:05 pm | #

Often times the only difference between a Republican and a Democrat is that Republican’s “front door” you while you’re looking, and a Democrat will get you from the back.

Please circulate and sign petition to get rid of Cincinnati’s most hated Republican Joe Deters.

says:
15 Sep 2008  at  07:24 pm | #

It looks like CAJD has a petition you can distribute and sign:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6045606/Citizens-Against-Joe-Deters

citizens against joe oriented negitive embellishme says:
15 Sep 2008  at  09:58 pm | #

CAJONE SEZ: I hear you can make quicker work of the whole kiliing your kid thing; without, the huge time expense of having a job, by using a microwave oven. Sick but true.

Hey Why Not This Topic Too? says:
15 Sep 2008  at  10:18 pm | #

Seems all roads (and threads) lead to CAJD these days…

Inset odor of dead horse here.

anon says:
15 Sep 2008  at  11:25 pm | #

Once again JJ, you’re an idiot.  I can’t stand Burke (and the feeling’s mutual) and I think he is an arrogant ass - but he isn’t racist.  Why would you disparage the good name of your candidate by saying something soooo stupid.  Are you trying to lie African Americans into believing this and holding Dems responsible? 

I love Nader - you, you give him a bad name.  I don’t get it.

Pelfrey says:
16 Sep 2008  at  06:49 am | #

Prejudiced more so than racist. Individual fiefdoms more so than party unity.
Party leaders have to please everyone. The more money, assumed power, even good myth you bring to the plate makes you more comfortable to be a part of the party.
Senator, then Mayor, Mallory has asked for discussion over the years but without real intention of tackling solutions.

says:
16 Sep 2008  at  01:27 pm | #

“I know there is a real concern out there that some people who normally would be voting Democratic might not vote for an African-American.”

anon, once again you’ve made a petty personal attack and you don’t even know what you’re talking about. I didn’t say Burke was a racist. I said he’s saying that Democrats are. He says they (meaning Democratic party bosses) are really concerned that people who would normally be voting for a Democrat (that would be Democrats) might not vote for Obama because he’s black (that would be racist).

Burke and Strickland are the one’s that said this, not me. I’ve heard some of my friends who identify themselves as Democrats complain that the local party doesn’t support black candidates or what they percieve as black issues. I gave some examples and people can draw their own conclusions.

This has nothing to do with my candidate and I’m not a spokesperson for the campaign. You’re correct when you say you don’t get it.

anon says:
16 Sep 2008  at  02:03 pm | #

Justin,

You said at the first part of your article that “you think Tim Burke is”
How can you then in your last comment say that you didn’t say he was a racist defending yourself now? I think you should erase this article if you dont stand by your comment. Tim Burke is a decent person and doesnt deserve to be labeled a racist.
People would vote for a black canidate if they thought he was qualified for the job, but Obama isnt.. Burke was simply wrong by blaming race as the reason obama is getting his ass handed to him in ohio!

cincysuz says:
16 Sep 2008  at  02:35 pm | #

Burke isn’t the only person talking smack about race. If I remember correctly, Ralph Nader was doing a little racist name calling a few weeks ago. He brought up race and as I interpret it, recommended against voting for Obama because he didn’t come up to Nader’s standard of how a black man should act. Now if that ain’t racist, what is? Activist, heal thyself.

says:
16 Sep 2008  at  03:02 pm | #

You said at the first part of your article that “you think Tim Burke is”

As in “Tim Burke is saying Democrats are racists.”

Bearman says:
16 Sep 2008  at  03:37 pm | #

I took the same way anon did when I first read it too.

anon says:
16 Sep 2008  at  04:31 pm | #

I’m not saying that Democrats are racist, but I think Tim Burke is.

I presume JJ meant, “Based on this quote from Salon, apparently Tim Burke thinks some Democrats are racists.”

says:
16 Sep 2008  at  04:44 pm | #

I think if you read the sentence that follows the first one the meaning should be clear. If Burke had said something racist I would have quoted what he had said. I quoted him saying that they are concerned many Democrats won’t vote for Obama because he’s black. He and Strickland are saying that there might be a lot of Democrats not voting Democratic because of race.

These party leaders would have a better idea if that’s likely to happen than I would. It’s a pretty sad statement about where the Democratic Party is at according to them though. And if you look at the policies their Party supports it’s clear they don’t vote in the interest of African American voters.

cincysuz, I don’t think Burke admitting that there’s racism in the Democratic Party is “talking smack about race”.  I think he’s being honest. And you don’t remember correctly because Nader never did any racist name calling and you even admitted that at the time, but we know you won’t let the facts stop you from launching yet another smear. Since you can’t defend Obama’s corporate record you must try to smear Nader and his supporters. Nader has had two Hispanic men as his VP candidate and you might recall his VP candidate was a Native American woman when you voted for him in 2000. Of course this post has nothing to do with him or your obsession with him.

This post is about the fact that Tim Burke and Ted Strickland are talking about racism in their corporate party. I never said that they themselves were racist. In fact, I never said anybody was racist. I said that the party bosses are confirming what some of my African American friends have said.

And I said you only have to look at the policies the party supports to know they don’t look out for the interest of African Americans. I stand by my statement and am glad that we have now clarified that I’m not saying that Tim Burke is a racist.

Freedom Fighters says:
16 Sep 2008  at  05:32 pm | #

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You are way off base with ‘Burke’. Tim is an advocate for equality, heck, in his formative years he stood side by side in protest, advocay, etc.

Learn his history and the Xavier Mafia !

He can call Jackson any day or hour because he stood and still stands in solidarity with equality !

Let’s talk about his efforts:

He actively recruits minorities for public office. It is his influence that caused several to pursue public office. For example: He recruited Rucker to run against deters the cheaters. He assisted to get Rucker appointed as judge. He recruited Ted Berry, Jr. to run for judge. He recruited and assisted the appointment of Eric Kearney for state senate. He recruited Norman Davis to run for judge. He recruited Dewayne Mallory to run for judge.

If anything, he may be over accommodating for minorities ?

Democrats are a cross-section of society and yes there is racism in the party. Most where raised Republican before they opened their eyes !

Bottom line: YOU DON"T KNOW THE MAN !

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anon says:
16 Sep 2008  at  07:43 pm | #

Ooopps - my bad Sorry.

cincysuz says:
16 Sep 2008  at  08:29 pm | #

I sent this once but my computer froze en route so I’ll resubmit. I’m glad you brought up Nader’s Native American VP, Winona LaDuke. She’s a prime example of someone who also evolved away from Nader. She hasn’t endorsed Nader since 2000 and they were actually on the same ticket! Some ringing endorsement. In the 2004 primary elections, she endorsed Dennis Kucinich, not Ralph Nader. She later endorsed John Kerry, not Ralph Nader, in the general election. Currently she endorses Barack Obama, not Ralph Nader. There’s been a parting of the ways between Ralph and many former advocates. Maybe they’re not [fill in the blank--black, woman, Native American] enough for him. Apparently LaDuke, a scholar, author, respected feminist and Native American activist sees a difference between the major party candidates and endorses Democratic.

CincyJeff says:
17 Sep 2008  at  12:50 am | #

The behavior of Tim Burke and the local Democratic Party during the jail tax fiasco is solid proof that the opinions of minorities means little to them.  The Black community in particular made their feelings well known, and received nothing but a deaf ear from Burke and his fellow white boys who run the party.

says:
17 Sep 2008  at  04:59 am | #

Freedom Fighter--

Was the devil not great?! Did he or did he not, help angels get into heaven?  Then he got them booted out.  My point being is that Tim Burke may have in the past and may continue to do in the future support and recruit African-Americans. However, is his help a double-edge sword?

I’m asking. I respect your well thought out comments (especially the deters the cheaters post)

Still, I like to be fair with everyone, including Tim Burke. I’m learning so much from reading the comments and the Beacon. I like that the Beacon comment-ers are passionate and intelligent.
(Unlike with the Enquirer) I know people who post type fast and errors are common, but geez their boards spew hatred...and ignorance.

says:
17 Sep 2008  at  06:26 am | #

FF, your post makes no sense.  No one called Burke a racist.  Burke called Democratic voters racists.

Interestingly, I haven’t heard any Republicans calling Republican voters sexists, in regards to whether Palin will drive people away from McCain.  If it is happening, please forward a link.

NtotheC says:
17 Sep 2008  at  12:23 pm | #

I think it’s odd that we should try to label any large group of people (ie. Republicans, Democrats) as all being one thing or another.  There is certainly a segment of the Democratic party (as well as a segment of the Republican party) that allows race to affect their vote.  I think one thing you’ll find is that older voters (New Deal Democrats) have an older way of thinking and may not vote for Obama because he identifies as Black.

That doesn’t make the entire population of supporters of the party racist and i think this is more akin to what Mr. Burke is suggesting.

Also, i read the first sentence as saying that Tim Burke is a racist.  I’m glad that was cleared up.

Rocco says:
17 Sep 2008  at  03:11 pm | #

There is the diversity of people and the diversity of ideas and Republicans and Democrats both have something to offer to socity. I am tired of the bigotry on both sides. We are all Americans and its time for us to start respecting one another instead of thinking you are right 100 percent of the time because of your parties beliefs! Tim Burke should be recognized as someone that moves things forward by being a bipartisan person who realizes that as long as there is bickering between parties nothing is ever accomplished. Democrats are very lucky to have such a good person as their party boss and also an open minded person who knows how to work deals to move things forward instead of everything always being stuck because of partisan politics.

says:
17 Sep 2008  at  04:04 pm | #

FF, I can see how anon and others took my first sentence the wrong way after I reread it, but we have already covered the fact I wasn’t calling Burke a racist. Try to stay with the thread please.

NtotheC, I didn’t label all Democrats as being racist. I know many that aren’t, but I think it’s interesting that the leadership is so concerned about this. Obama is no Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton. He’s not challenging the racism in our justice system. He supports the racist War on Drugs and has talked down to African American audiences only while failing to to address the scandalous pay or die health care system and NAFTA the job killing trade deal.

I think most Republicans would support Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas. I think their partisanship is stronger than the racism in their party.

Cincysuz, Al Gore’s running mate, Joe Leiberman, is the Neocon that was at the Republican convention and has been a cheerleader for Bush and McCain. Some ringing endorsement. I don’t care what Laduke says, the point was he’s clearly not racist as you well know because you voted for him and this post isn’t about Nader. Nader just said Obama’s too corporate (the same thing you said). You have a serious obsession with him, but you need to stop hijacking the threads. There have been plenty of recent posts about Nader and this isn’t one of them.

cincysuz says:
17 Sep 2008  at  06:28 pm | #

No you’re right Justin. Let’s keep this focused on The Beacon’s only topic. Democrat bashing. YOU brought up Nader’s Native American running mate, not me. I just pointed out that she doesn’t support him. You would like to have left a much different impression. But as we all know, you don’t like being questioned or god forbid, challenged. You don’t like the facts and what I said is fact. There should be some kind of disclaimer on every single post you make, reminding everyone that you are paid by the Nader campaign and that your motives are not only suspect, but crystal clear.

Captn Wendy says:
19 Sep 2008  at  12:15 pm | #

Get Ready for another earthquake- If a hurricane isn’t enough- here comes another Earthquake...I’m agreeing w. CincySuz again!! Everytime I do- we have an Earthquake or something happens.

The Beacon needs to stay non-partisan and let the readers do all the bashing! Give us the facts and turn us lose to bash.

You guys did a damn good job of almost handing the #1 to Chabot by your HS journalism of not placing the calls to the right people at the Driehaus campaign- and you bashed him so bad once before they are cautious of coming near you. You threaten to chase him- which you don’t have to do- just call- and now- this place is all things Nader- who doesn’t stand a snowballs chance in hell of making a difference other than splitting the vote like Paul- and we are going to get stuck with Sarah Got a Gun as President w/in the next 2-3 years. And the woman sounds like a damn Reading HS cheerleader! Sorry Reading- but you do have the best cheering program in the city!

But post facts for us to go after- and if you are going to be one sided- start the post by saying this is a Nader Post. Please.

Westie had a damn good argument last night-maybe you listened and learned!

says:
19 Sep 2008  at  12:57 pm | #

Wesitie, I mean Wendy, we are nonpartisan and if you kids actually read the thread you will see that anon #5 brought up Nader, not me. I responded that the racism in the Democratic Party that Burke and Strickland refered to had nothing to do with my candidate.

I presented plenty of facts in my article, you just don’t like them. We did contact the Driehaus campaign through the proper channels and they dropped the ball, not us. If you’re so concerned about making them look bad then just drop it already. We ask candidates legitimate questions. We aren’t here to flatter them, that’s what you like to do.

Then cincysuz #9 brought him up again with her usual lies and smear that he was “doing a little racist name calling” which she’s already admitted he didn’t. Of course we know she’s a liar because she can’t provide a quote to back up her claim. I pointed out that all his running mates have been minorities.

This splitting the vote nonsense assumes that the Democrats are entitled to our votes. They need to earn them and they aren’t doing a very good job of that. You make them worse by allowing them to be Republican lite. That’s why Obama’s numbers are sinking and he’s running against a terrible candidate with no charisma and less corporate cash them him.

This post isn’t about Nader, you all keep bringing him up. This is about racism in the Democratic Party. A subject you don’t want to discuss so you’re trying to change the subject and attack us as being partisan etc. If Burke and Strickland have the courage to talk about racism in the Democratic Party, why can’t you?

cincysuz says:
19 Sep 2008  at  04:23 pm | #

A word on Michigan racist Republicans trying to take the vote from African Americans who lost their homes due to foreclosure. Didn’t think so.

http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote
http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/09/17/ObamavMich.pdf

cincysuz says:
19 Sep 2008  at  06:31 pm | #

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/

“There’s only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He’s half African-American,” Nader said. “Whether that will make any difference, I don’t know. I haven’t heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn’t want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We’ll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards.”

“I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law,” Nader said. “Haven’t heard a thing.”

http://www.alternet.org/election08/89939/nader_plays_the_race_card/

“He plainly regards Obama as a corporate candidate who has no antidote to those ills. Nader could have easily made that point without racially knocking Obama. But he did knock him, and the only real explanation is that Nader holds Obama to a totally different standard than he holds McCain or any other white mainstream politician; a standard that’s based solely on his color. --Earl Ofari Hutchinson

http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2008/06/sup-obama-is-you-talkin-honkey-again.html
Ralph Nader symbolizes the intense racism which still percolates below the surface throughout America. But in a shocking little slip during a Rocket Mountain News interview, the curmudgeonly third-party presidential candidate revealed the kind of ignorance, hostility and racial prejudice that could be carried into the voting booth come November.

And just for fun, to show what a swell bunch guys are being tauted as the third party candidates that will save us all, here are some Ron Paul quotes:

http://www.realchange.org/ronpaul.htm
“If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.” - Ron Paul, 1992

“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.” - Ron Paul, 1992

“We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.” - Ron Paul, 1992

Greg Harris says:
20 Sep 2008  at  07:01 am | #

Poll says racism among minority of white dems could cost Obama the election:

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race

says:
20 Sep 2008  at  01:49 pm | #

Greg Harris, thanks for sharing that. If I would have put that out I would be accused of being a Republican operative that is pretending all Democrats are racist. 

cincysuz, stop trying to change the subject. This isn’t about Ron Paul or Ralph Nader, thie is about racism in the Democratic Party. I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, but at least he’s against the failed Drug War, the Patriot Act, Immunity for telecoms and the bipartisan corporate and military occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Nader’s comment wasn’t racist, you just don’t like it. Just because you found some Corporate Democratic bloggers that parrot the same line you do doesn’t make it so. Nader was just as critical of Clinton-Gore, Gore-Leiberman and Kerry-Edwards. They are all a bunch of corporate candidates from A to Z, the only difference is Obama is black and has some charisma. Being critical of Obama doesn’t make you any more racist than being critical of Condi Rice does. Stop trying to hijack the thread troll.

JoeyTheShark says:
20 Sep 2008  at  03:28 pm | #

Nothing else is working right now so they want to throw the race card at people that dont think obama is a qualified canidate!(Try to drive the white guilt into the voters) What a sorry excuse! The truth is people have been turned off to the racism that obama surrounded himself around with people like Jerimiah Wright! How can he raise his kids around an environment that hates white people and hates America as well?? It is just unacceptable behavior that has made people lose trust in Obama. Who cares if he no longer goes to the racist church anymore. The fact is he went to that church for many many yrs and how can he turn his back on his pastor now? Also shows a lack of loyalty as well by turning his back after it was exposed! Shame on the people trying to say its because hes black! It simply isnt the truth and we all know it.

cincysuz says:
20 Sep 2008  at  03:51 pm | #

From the article cited by Greg Harris:

“More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can’t win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don’t have such views.”

That says Democrats AND Independents express racist views or tendencies. And we all know Republicans’ reputation as racists. So what does this all prove? That whites of all political persuasions, including independents at a rate about equal to Democrats, wouldn’t vote for a black candidate. Duh. The Beacon proves that doesn’t it? They’d support any candidate, no matter how dispicable, over the
African American Democratic candidate.

And why are you calling me names? I’m not lying, just quoting. You even have the nerve to defend Ron Paul knowing that he has such dispicably racist views. That says volumes, whether you realize it or not.

Earl Ofari Hutchinson says Nader’s remarks were racist. That Nader could have made all of his points without interjecting race and holding Obama to an entirely different standard than the white candidates. That’s what racists do. They hold those of another race to a different standard. I take Hutchinson’s word for it. Being an internationally acclaimed lecturer and author, I’m comfortable that he knows enough about the subject to be considered an authority.

says:
20 Sep 2008  at  05:46 pm | #

Duh. The Beacon proves that doesn’t it? They’d support any candidate, no matter how dispicable, over the African American Democratic candidate.

Cincysuz, the Dean’s wife is black and I endorsed Stephanie Dumas (a black Democrat) back in 2006. Duh! I also support the Green Party’s all women of color ticket as my second preference to the Nader-Gonzalez ticket. They aren’t corporate owned and are very good on the issues. The fact that you pretend we are racist Republicans is despicable and why I call you a liar. Stop the smear campaign troll!

I said Ron Paul is at least against the War and Patriot Act etc. I said I don’t support him. Red Herring!

Obama talks down to black audiences. When has he ever done that to a white audience? There are white fathers that don’t take care of their kids too. Obama doesn’t talk about the racist criminal injustice system and he supports the failed War on Drugs that study after study shows disproportionately locks up young black men. Obama supports the job killing free trade deals that send good jobs overseas. (Flip Flop!) How does that help black families stay together?

There’s nothing racist about what Nader said. He was asked if there was a difference between Obama and other Democratic candidates of the past. The only difference is Obama’s black and he talks down to black audiences. No real “change” there.

This isn’t about Nader or Ron Paul, this is about what Burke and Strickland said about racism in the Democratic Party. And why is the local Democratic Party always opposing the local NAACP?

Stop trying to hijack the thread and stick to the topic please. There will be more posts about Nader, don’t worry.

cincysuz says:
20 Sep 2008  at  06:58 pm | #

The “some of my best friends are black” argument doesn’t get it and you know it. The Dean’s wife is black and you endorsed Stephanie Dumas? Huh. Having business, personal, family relationships with someone of another race doesn’t exonerate anyone from being a racist or a bigot. Believing that is in itself a form of bigotry. And if that were the case, it would be impossible for me to have racial or ethnic prejudices since my own family encompasses each of the races, come from 4 continents and speak 4 languages as a native tongue. But to think that gives me a pass is ludicrous. I know that. You should too. It does makes me hyper sensitive to bigotry though. And when I see it, I’m morally obligated to call it.

See what good company you’re in? You and JoeytheShark see eye-to-eye.

Now, JoeytheShark - since you brought up pastors, you might want to mention Sarah Palin’s witch hunting pastor--the one that layed hands and got her into the governorship. He chased a woman out of a Kenyan village claiming that she caused car accidents. And there’s no such thing as a race card. It’s simply an invention by people that want to excuse their racism.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#26798219

says:
20 Sep 2008  at  07:26 pm | #

Duh. The Beacon proves that doesn’t it? They’d support any candidate, no matter how dispicable, over the African American Democratic candidate.

Duh! I just proved your statement wrong and there you go again with more off topic smears. You’re a cowardly liar and I’ve given you enough warnings troll. Your next off topic smear will be deleted. Grow up or find another blog to spew your useless drivel.

says:
20 Sep 2008  at  08:14 pm | #

Here’s what Hillary supporters thought.

Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton’s white backers plan to vote for McCain.

Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.

Contrast that with the fact that the Greens have an all women of color ticket that the corporate media won’t cover. Obviously there are some Independents that aren’t afraid to support women and people of color. But it’s the Democrats that get the black vote even though they fail to represent the interests of Black people or white people for that matter.

Jones says:
21 Sep 2008  at  08:37 pm | #

A friend of mine is a registered Democrat in Hamilton County. He recently stated in a conversation, out of the realm of the topic (we were talking about the Hurricane Ike devastation in Texas & Louisiana & wondering how long the politicians would jerk the people around again)that he wasn’t voting for Obama. The dude is white. He claimed he was still undecided & wanted more info on plans, objectives for all this change. Now with the bailout of these financial institutions, I’d think more people are paying more attention to the campaign stump crap.

Given the fact that this friend is a registered Democrat & white, I guess in this thread that makes him a racist. Gone are the days when the decision is between the voter & the ballot.

I want to hear more candidate sh#t on this financial bailout to see how much more of my money they’re going to squander on fat cats & shady deals. I’ll make up my mind when I cast my vote.

Yeah, add Tim Burke to race card shuffling crew of cheats, thieves & larcenous criminals. He only runs blacks, women & other races as tokens.

says:
22 Sep 2008  at  12:05 am | #

Pimp My Vote!

This blog is written especially for the local Dems. Local Dems I am putting you on notice that if you want my vote, you will have to work for it.  You’re going to have to come out singing and dancing while wearing a costume with bells and whistles.

In the past it may have been the perception that black voters vote the Dem ticket. That never was true and it especially isn’t true now.  Local Dems no longer will you be able to show up at black churches just in time ( a week or two before the election) for you to speak only to slip out before the service.

Dems if you want the black vote you’ll at least have to pander to blacks. Take it from Chabot and show up at the BFR.  Pander away.  Quite frankly I’d advise Dem politicians to go one step further than pandering, to get the black vote you’ll have to kiss behind.

Dems you’ve been put on notice.

Sign the petition.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6045606/Citizens-Against-Joe-Deters

cincysuz says:
22 Sep 2008  at  05:23 pm | #

Nobody is going to kiss your ass. Why should they? And I don’t think you know what the word pander means. It has a very negative connotation. You apparently don’t know that being “pandered to” is belittling. And yes, Chabot is pandering to black people. If you want people to sign your petition, quit talking.

Pander
1. a person who furnishes clients for a prostitute or supplies persons for illicit sexual intercourse; procurer; pimp. 
2. a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others. 
3. a go-between in amorous intrigues. 
–verb (used without object)
4. to act as a pander; cater basely: to pander to the vile tastes of vulgar persons. 
–verb (used with object)
5. to act as a pander for.

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23 Sep 2008  at  09:42 am | #

Cincysuz--

Get a life! 
I’m fully aware what the word Pander means.

As far as someone kissing my behind…

Our group does not need YOU to sign our petition. Instead, we’d like for you to get a life!

Citizen Against Joe Deters!

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23 Sep 2008  at  10:00 am | #

More evidence of racism in the Democratic Party just came out.

Poll: Racial Prejudice Could Cost Obama the Election
A new poll by the Associated Press and Yahoo News has found that deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close. The poll found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks. The polling suggests Obama would receive an estimated six percentage points more support if there were no racial prejudice.

cincysuz says:
23 Sep 2008  at  05:22 pm | #

Don’t come too quickly Justin. You’ve discovered nothing new. Whites are prejudiced. WHO KNEW???????? Maybe you should get the word out. Nobody’s denying that whites are prejudiced in a number of ways (as are many other people). Many won’t vote for an African American, a woman, a Latino, surely not a gay, an Asian, a Southerner, an Easterner or an anti-war veteran as in the case of John Kerry.

The author of this article states that:

“Self-identified White Republicans had consistently harsher views of African Americans than all Whites surveyed, White independents, or White Democrats.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-fauntroy-phd/race-and-obamas-black-tax_b_128673.html

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23 Sep 2008  at  09:23 pm | #

We know the Republican Party disenfranchises African Americans, but the Democrats are supposed to be the Party for blacks. Blacks vote for Democrats overwhelmingly and I think many people would be surprised at the level of racism in the Democratic Party. I mean one third is a pretty high percentage. Maybe I gave the Democrats too much credit. I knew that party leaders were too corporate, but I didn’t knwo there was that much racism in the party.

Hey Why Not This Topic Too? says:
23 Sep 2008  at  11:29 pm | #

We know the Republican Party disenfranchises African Americans, but the Democrats are supposed to be the Party for blacks.

OMG cincysuz called it....this is right up there with “some of my best friends are black (or fill in the blank).

Must feel very special to be above it all.

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24 Sep 2008  at  12:34 pm | #

This is Your Nation on White Privilege
By Tim Wise
9/13/08

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege,
or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps
this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like
Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that
of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to
judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even
as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly
typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’
redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if
anyone messes with you, you’ll “kick their fuckin’ ass,” and talk
about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a
responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather
than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in
six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out
of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community
college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to
achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as
unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first
place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town
smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state
with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island
of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people
don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S.
Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means
you’re “untested.”

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words
“under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough
for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be
immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the
pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t
added until the 1950s--while if you’re black and believe in reading
accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the
Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school,
requires it), you are a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn’t fit to
safeguard American institutions.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make
people immediately scared of you.

White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member
of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from
the Union, and whose motto is “Alaska first,” and no one questions
your patriotism or that of your family, while if you’re black and your
spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with
her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s
being disrespectful.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers
and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of
women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end
to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if
you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month
governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in
college and the fact that she lives close to Russia--you’re somehow
being mean, or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t
even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your
running mate anyway, because suddenly your presence on the ticket has
inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your
party a “second look.”

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support
your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or
being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being
black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political
machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to
get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be
viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is
unquestionable, and whose “next door neighbor” qualities make her
ready to be VP, while if you’re a black candidate for president and
you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you’re
irresponsibly exploiting them.

White privilege is being able to give a 36 minute speech in which
you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying
out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still
manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person
who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out
specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for
being too vague about what he would do if elected.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years
whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely
criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an
explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring
Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in
speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment
on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just
a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a
black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S.
Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of
U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its
effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates
America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when
asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for
asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely
refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly
means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly
intellectual and nuanced.

White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school,
then to Yale and then Harvard Business school, and yet, still be seen
as just an average guy (George W. Bush) while being black, going to a
prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and
then to Harvard Law, makes you “uppity,” and a snob who probably looks
down on regular folks.

White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your
college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.)
and that’s OK, and you’re cut out to be president, but if you’re black
and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you
can’t be trusted to make good decisions in office.

White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she’s
disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire
beauty queen (who you go on to call the c-word in public) and still be
thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you’re black and
married for nearly twenty years to the same woman, your family is
viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other
are called “terrorist fist bumps.”

White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction,
having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on
to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong,
while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and
never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still
get high, and even ask whether or not you ever sold drugs.

White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran
and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the
maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the
U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements
with them, makes you “dangerously naive and immature.”

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW
has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being
black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among
the “lesser adversities” faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin
explained in her convention speech.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could
possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with
George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is
skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and
the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because a
lot of white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya
know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more
years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.

White privilege is, in short, the problem.

cincysuz says:
24 Sep 2008  at  01:54 pm | #

Or is that Republican privilege?

librariangrrl says:
28 Sep 2008  at  05:48 pm | #

If that wasn’t some serious blind- party- loyalty, Democratic propaganda, I don’t kow what is!!!!

Since we were talking about white priviledge--here’s my favorite article on the subject:

http://mmcisaac.faculty.asu.edu/emc598ge/Unpacking.html

Payday Loans says:
14 Nov 2008  at  04:54 am | #

We live and we use of credit because it is part of the economic flow. It serves as our financial assistance to survive in the challenging world particularly in the economy as well. New Hampshire education officials are pushing to have some high-school graduate by 10th grade, which means young people will be out into the real world of bills, payday loans, and responsibility a whole lot sooner. The plan is to administer state board exams to sophomores; the students that pass will be allowed to move on to community or technical colleges, foregoing the last two years of high school. You should read the full article to formulate your own opinion.

Do we think a 16 year-old is ready to handle the stresses of the real world of different social situations and learning responsibility? It wouldn’t even be legal for these younger graduates to apply for payday loans to help pay for books or overload credits.

Monica says:
14 Nov 2008  at  02:56 pm | #

here here Greg Harris!

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