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Saturday, May 31, 2008
Does Cincinnati Need The Whiteness Game?
Posted by The Dean of Cincinnati
Photo courtesy of here.
In Learning to be White, cultural critic Thandeka describes what she calls ”The Race Game.” The rules are simple: white people, for one week, should practice using the racial descriptor “white” whenever they refer to white people. Here at The Cincinnati Beacon, discussions about race can get ugly and defensive pretty quickly. Does Cincinnati need to play The Race Game?
Check out this comment by the aptly named anonymous commenter “white male.” (We should note that this commenter’s handle does not qualify as playing “The Race Game” for reasons that will become clear in a moment.)
This individual’s attitude is one that seems prevalent among a significant portion of white Cincinnati. In an anecdote about Catholic church festivals, “white male” wrote the following:
This did not occur at St. Catherines, but let me share my experience. We had one person to man (turn) the dice cage. We then had 2-3 otehrs to watch the board. We had several African American young men playing the game. We would announce that all bets are down, hands off the board. The dice cage would turn and then the players would try to slip #1 and $5 onto the winning number. It got so bad with the nastiness on the part of the African Americans that the security (off duty police) told us to shut down the booth for 10 minutes and start over.
Then we start over......
Things are fine for a while, then the same bunch of young African American males come back. The same mess is repeated. Those guys are trying to slip bills on the table AFTER WE HAVE SAID NO MORE BETS.
Finally, security suggested that we just shut down the booth.
Then came the final insult when the Pastor said to us devoted workers that you guys were too rough on the African Americans at the table.
Firstly, why does this person insist on indicating the race of the people allegedly causing a disturbance? Does he mean to suggest that African Americans have some innate characteristic which predisposes them to such behavior? If so, that is an example of a racist attitude. If not, then why mention it? Does race mean something in these stories? If so, then why doesn’t everyone’s race mean something?
But look at the excerpt in terms of “The Race Game.” Look at the unstated racial descriptors. He writes, “We had one person to man (turn) the dice cage.” Why not write, “We had one white person to man the dice cage”?
He wrote, “Finally, security suggested that we just shut down the booth.” Why not write, “Finally, white security suggested that we just shut down the booth”?
He wrote, “Then came the final insult when the Pastor said to us devoted workers that you guys were too rough on the African Americans at the table.” Why not write, “Then came the final insult when the white Pastor said...”
You get the picture.
(If these individuals are not white, then one must wonder why the non-white racial descriptor is only assigned to those exhibiting allegedly negative behavior.)
Sadly, I predict that the simple concept of “The Race Game” will just make white people angry. They will then complain about the suggestion without even trying it.
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31 May 2008 at 03:47 pm | #
Good point. You ask, “firstly, why does this person insist on indicating the race of the people allegedly causing a disturbance?” I think it’s clear that he wants to provide what he thinks is evidence to support his belief that there are inherent differences in people and that people different from him, are bad. I think it’s very telling that in his own story, the pastor (probably white or he would have indicated otherwise) pointed out that “[he] was too rough on the African Americans at the table.” This says to me that even the pastor observed that White Male and his cohorts were treating the African Americans differently, probably showing his own prejudice and disdain. Security probably suggested that the booth be shut down because that was the only way to diffuse a situation created by White Male and pacify he and his gang of white thugs. I have my doubts that his story of slipping bets on the table is even true. It may have been that some young people were joking around, the way young people do, and of course White Male went off the deep end because they were African American youth. He can’t see them as pranksters. They’ve got to be thugs. He probably would have laughed if they were white. White Male is obviously very scared of and threatened by African Americans. So he wants to constantly submit evidence that he thinks proves it’s all of them that have the problem, not him.
31 May 2008 at 04:33 pm | #
Yes, I am here to tell you that the story of the dice game is true..DID happen. As for “white male” and his underlying thoughts...have no idea nor do I care. The simple fact of the matter is we as a society accept far too much lousy behavior from people we don’t know and\or who do not look like us. Point being, I think most white people are “afraid” of “appearing” to be biased when dealing with black kids that they tend to shy away from it. They would never accept that type of behavior...say from one of their kids friends, black or white, but when it comes to kids they don’t know and when that kid is a different skin color...black, well then that whole “let’s try to be sensitive” crap kicks in.
The reason it kicks in for some is that they are soooooo afraid of “looking” racist, being biased that they bend over backwards.
I, on the other hand, want good behavior from everyone and if someone acts up, commits criminal acts, is disruptive etc I can and DO call the police, call them out, whatever it takes.
Want to label me something for not putting up with bad behavior I don’t give a crap!
Listen everyone uses words to identify others. A lot of times when I hear blacks talking to each other they say…that ”sister”, some “brother” things like that….when they identify whites they use the word white…everytime? No, but let’s not act like no other group of people do that either…please!!!
Listen as I have said, no I do not in any way think black people are more apt to commit crime…but to act like the majority of problems with bad behavior on the Westside of town is not being committed by blacks is plain ridiculous.
The problem as I have said is the breakdown in society as a whole but the black family is in crisis and no one seems to be paying attention.
The long standing, time honored institution, NAACP, appears to be more worried about red light cameras than the health and long term vitality of the black family. That is a real shame and they are doing their “people” a real disservice!!!
31 May 2008 at 05:04 pm | #
The Cincinnati NAACP is “adopting” a struggling CPS school. They are going to provide tutoring and mentoring to the kids there, in an attempt to address the very things you say they are not addressing.
What a weird accusation—getting mad at a group when they are doing that which you think they should.
Where is your letter of apology to the NAACP.
Also, I’m still waiting for that bad behavior tour.
I remember, about four years ago, walking with my son in Kennedy Heights. There were some “baggy pants and white t-shirts” hanging out at the corner. For a moment, I wondered if I should change my course, having my son in the stroller.
I figured that was ridiculous. So I kept walking. When I got near these so-called thugs, they stepped aside so I could pass through. I made eye contact with one guy and we exchanged a short greeting.
31 May 2008 at 07:08 pm | #
You think I am mad at the NAACP?? How odd of you to think that....
As for an apology letter, once again a very odd thought. You think because I am using my right to speak freely in this Country and give my thoughts, viewpoints on issue(s) that happen to be different than theirs or yours that means I owe them an apology? please!!
What you and everyone else on this blog and elsewhere needs to do is to send a thank you letter to a Veteran, shake hands with a man or women wearing the colors of this Country and thank them for your ability to speak as much and as loudly as you want. A letter to NAACP..never going to happen....
As for the tour...good lord have you nothing else to do that the mere thought of this tour has got you that excited?
31 May 2008 at 07:18 pm | #
The Red Light Camaras should be a concern for you as well LasalleMom.
It is a complete waste of your taxpaying money which could be put towards programs like the dean is talking about instead or the money could go to fixing the many broken sidewalks and fund the many promises that the city hasnt kept. They shouldnt be planning new ways to waste our tax money when they cant even back the projects and promises they have put on the table for many many yrs, including the banks.
31 May 2008 at 08:14 pm | #
Oh good grief! Where have you been? And just exactly what is your point with this?
The other evening, I stopped by an ice cream bar for a soda. A van pulls into the parking spot next to me. One man got out of the van to buy treats for the children, who were passengers in the van. Another man was riding up front with the driver. Apparently, one of the children began to use inappropriate language. How did the man address this situation? With a slew of absolutely filthy words. It was the f-bomb, mf-bomb & everything in between. The man also threatened the child with, “When we get back to your Mom’s, you’re gonna get your mf a$$ beat, you hear me?”
I decided I’d had enough of this adult’s toilet mouth. I didn’t hear what words were spoken by the children, but I can only imagine where they learned such talk. And now they’re being upbraided for utilizing the vocabulary. I pulled out of the parking spot & went on my way. I figured had I bowed & scaped ever so politely to this dumpster mouth, I’d get called a whole host of nasty words & ordered to mind my own affairs.
LaSalle Mom is correct. Everyone has kept painfully silent & has allowed poor manners & behaviors become the norm today.
Gosh Dean, why for a moment did you wonder about changing course? It couldn’t have been exclusively because you had your son in the stroller. All sorts of people in baggy pants & white t-shirts hang out on corners, especially when the weather is pleasant. However, most of them are thugs & the thugs represent many races.
31 May 2008 at 09:19 pm | #
Don’t tell me you are backing out of this one. What a great opportunity to prove, once and for all, how your perspective is something more than hearsay and gossip!
Let us come and document how terrible this behavior is! Take us on the tour!
You weren’t making the whole thing up, were you?
31 May 2008 at 09:27 pm | #
Jones, I think you need to read this.
31 May 2008 at 10:15 pm | #
I think this is quite possible. It is a problem when the Black kids get uprooted from Huntington Meadows, Lincoln Terrace, Laurel Homes, or English Woods (all of which have been torn down in whole or in part by the city) and have to find a new place to live. The social network of adults who knew those kids and whom they could call if the kids got out of line does not get transplanted. It takes time to rebuild those networks.
One also has to keep in mind that the impression of Whites that those Black kids grew up with was based in part on seeing hundreds of Whites cruise the streets looking for drugs and whores. I see it all the time in Walnut Hills. It is so prevelant that I catch myself, when I am down there, of suspecting almost any White that I see there as someone who is looking for drugs.
01 Jun 2008 at 12:28 am | #
Oh. Yes. That story. Well, shame on me. Stopping for a soda at the ice cream bar was bad for those children to see. Oh yes, unhealthy treat. I get it. But the sewer mouth example exhibited by the man in the van isn’t.
Yeah, I guess I did good by minding myself & not sticking my nose in another’s method of disciplining children.
LaSalle Mom isn’t riding on hearsay & gossip. It’s the truth. There are many, many neighborhoods under siege with such boorish behavior. You & Jeffre need to get out in the belching librarymobile & go check out the festivals & fairs after 9:30PM. Any day, starting around 8AM, there’s the people in the baggy pants & t-shirts on the street corners. Take a cruise around the ‘hoods in the belching bus & see for yourself. Wouldn’t blame LaSalle Mom for backing out. Goodness knows you’ve attempted to insult her & discredit her without a shred of the benefit of the doubt. Another example of that white woman hate you’ve got simmering.
01 Jun 2008 at 01:37 am | #
One of the better topics posted on CB!
If every time, “white” was used as an ACTIVE descriptor in news stories and every day language....WOW! The outcry to “race referencing” would be tremendous. I long for the day when I hear/read “...and Joe Blowshmoo, a WHITE MALE suspect in the ARMED ROBBERY/MURDER of....” multiple times. 
01 Jun 2008 at 07:11 am | #
Huh?
Fine. Then let me see how “terrible” it is.
I am aware of what has been happening recently at the Catholic festivals.
01 Jun 2008 at 07:12 am | #
Well said, MEP!
01 Jun 2008 at 07:46 am | #
Dean,
What is the rush? Do you not have anything else going on that this tour is so integral to your future plans? Get a grip on yourself! Listen, I have never said I was backing out as you have said...I have NEVER said that! I have been busy over the last several days and scheduling this tour for you has not been at the top of my list.
What I find interesting is that you NEED a tour guide to help you see the problems. I guess where you live in Mt Airy there really isn’t too much crap going on so I guess you do need a little help. Funny to me that someone of your enlightened state would choose to live in Mt. Airy and not a neighborhood that is a little bit more “urban”. You know what I mean, a neighborhood that has a larger minority population so you can “keep it real”, so you can live amongst the people (black and white) so you can get that urban experience. While Mt Airy does have a few “hot spots” of problems it sure doesn’t have the same numbers as say Westwood, Price Hill, Avondale, College Hill, Evanston does it? Of course not and that is precisely why you moved there.
As for your little story about that park….
How about this story.
So my friend purchased his 2nd home is Westwood. A HUGE beautiful home on a corner. The backyard is large and deep well over an acre. This week he was off work to work in his yard and on his home. He was I the side yard which is close to the side street working with 2 of his 4 kids. Some woman was talking loud and loudly suing very vulgar curse words. He walked to the side of the driveway that is right next to the side street where his driveway is located. Anyway, he heard this foul mouth woman carrying on and who was she carrying on to …you guessed it kids that were with her. Telling them…mf that kid, f the kid next time, don’t let some mf kid do that…beat their ass…you get it…telling those kids to beat the shit out of the other kid(s) all the while using horrible language. Anyway, when he said…hey, I have my young kids here in my yard and I really don’t want them to hear this type of language so please lower you voice…what was her reaction?
Was it..
1) oh, sorry I didn’t realize I was using that language
2) sorry I really didn’t realize I was that loud…
3) FU%# YOU!
Take your time..don’t rush your answer I”ll wait a minute.
OK times up…which was the answer..yes, if you guessed (3) FU^% YOU.. you are a WINNER!!!
Funny thing about that story Dean…..my friend uses tobacco..smokeless tobacco but tobacco nonetheless. So, that being said…does that negate the REAL story of that foul mouth BIT$@ just as you did with that park “story”?
Dean, check your schedule for this coming week\...think Wed or Thursday and I will be back in touch
01 Jun 2008 at 07:58 am | #
A large minority population? Are you comparing Westwood to Mt. Airy?
Please familiarize yourself with census data:
http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/cdap/downloads/cdap_pdf3574.pdf
Total Westwood Population: 35,730. White: 22,370. Black: 11,744.
Total Mt. Airy Population: 9,710. White: 4,684. Black: 4,514.
I used to live in Kennedy Heights:
Total Kennedy Heights Population: 5,296. White: 1,113. Black: 4,016.
Funny to me that both neighborhoods I’ve lived in for the last ten years have a “larger minority population” than Westwood, from a proportional perspective.
What are you talking about?
01 Jun 2008 at 08:17 am | #
You got lasalle mom riled up. As expected this has turned into the usual effort of white people defending, rather than examining, their biases. It’s a heavy burden for all black youth to have to take responsibility for the actions of some. If a black kid slips a chip on a table then all black kids are responsible. White youth are seen as responsible for their personal actions only. If they drive drunk, take dope, beat their girlfriends,shoot or stab somebody, stick up a fast food joint, molest a child, murder their brother, it’s on the individual only. As it should be. If a white woman decides to drown her kids, I shouldn’t have to bear the burden and apologize for what she did. Neither should lasalle mom. All individual actions of any discernable racial or ethnic minority, except for European heritage--Black, Latin, Gay, Asian, Middle Eastern--are for some reason seen as representative of the larger group, by many whites. I haven’t opened the paper yet today but I’m sure there will be multiple stories of whites doing harm. Will Jones and lasalle mom take that as a reflection of their own character? I’m also positive that white youth, as a group, won’t have to be afraid that they’ll be picked up by the cops, followed around a store or amusement park, questioned why they’re in a certain neighborhood, viewed suspiciously, and have to start out what should be a great day, under a cloud, because someone that looks like them, someone they don’t even know, did something bad, somewhere in the U.S. Do you really not see that as unfair?
Finally, Lasalle mom no soldier, no war has earned you the right to speak freely on The Dean’s blog. It’s a privilege that he can give or taketh away at his pleasure. But you probably should seek out a black veteran and thank him or her for their service, decade after decade, in war and peacetime, to a country that still treats him/her as a second class citizen.
01 Jun 2008 at 08:47 am | #
cincysuz,
I agree, and the more I think about this, the more I think MEP’s earlier post taps into something no one would want to talk about.
This City has been displacing African Americans and the poor for years. With no regard for where they end up, for how it disrupts community relationships—with no regard for anything in particular, save upscale condos for mostly white people wanting to live downtown so they can catch a streetcar or walk to work.
And what might a “white person” look like to one whose experience shows that they are primarily suburbanites who cruise your neighborhood looking for dope or sex? They encourage crime in your neighborhood, then complain about the high crime neighborhoods!
I would go the other way, though, cincysuz. Rather than say lasallemom, or you, or myself have no responsibility for what these white people do, why not turn it back on ourselves.
What are we doing to address this problem in the white community? When is white leadership going to stand up and demand more responsibility for those whites who propagate the sex and drug trade in black neighborhoods?
01 Jun 2008 at 08:58 am | #
The white game would be an interesting take, however, having worked with a large African-American population in the past, I can say that it is frequently played by African-Americans. I once had a student refer to me as her “white” teacher. I did not take offense to this. I have personally witnessed several African-Americans both old and young play the white game. Being that African-Americans play the white game, I don’t see the big deal about whites playing the African-American game or Asians playing the Hispanic game.
I think arguments based on race are hilarious because race has nothing to do with anything. It is a physical attribute that one cannot control. People have to grasp onto something to characterize behaviors that they don’t like. Unfortunately, they seem to do so with the most rudimentary stereotypes available. It is popular in urban culture for youths to wear baggs pants and long white tee shirts. Despite many whites dressing in the same fashion, I have heard it referred to as a black way to dress.
I due agree with LaSalle mom though, that many whites are afraid to confront African-Americans when they are being socially discourteous due to fear of being labeled a racist. That’s why there is a societal construct called the “race” card. Unfortunately, the race card is frequently played in situations to allow the person of a minority status to deflect personal responsibility for their own actions. A prime example of this was Timothy Thomas. I certainly think that Steven Roach overreacted by shooting him, but the whole situation would have been avoided has Thomas not ran off into a dark alley. Afterward, instead of looking at the actions of these two men, it became a spark for racial discord in our city.
01 Jun 2008 at 09:13 am | #
It is too bad the poor havent worked themselves out of poverty yet so that they control their own destiny instead of the city.
01 Jun 2008 at 09:21 am | #
These little anecdotal racist stories are nauseating. Should I tell the tale of a rental property that has been the bane of my neighborhood because of an absentee slumlord? The 8th family in as many years is now moving. These 8 families have alternately sold drugs, taken drugs, been publicly drunk, had drunken parties, were arrested numerous times for theft and weapons, domestic abuse, children removed, lazy, dirty. Neighbors have had to feed and rescue the kids. Police and the city have been involved to no avail. I’ll give you 3 guesses as to the race of the landlord and all of the families. White and white. What conclusions on race can I draw from this? None.
Look at the state of white leadership. lasalle mom mentions the NAACP and their objection to red light cameras. A legitimate issue for the membership. Contrast that to white leadership. Involved in waging war, wasting money, eliminating jobs, making sure big business is safe from regulations and white leadership has brought us to the current deplorable state of the nation: joblessness, record level gas prices, foreclosures, as well as increased crime resultant of these conditions, etc. The state of the white family is deplorable. Is anyone stepping up? If a race must be mentioned, in lasalle mom and Jones’ world, then it’s a damn shame what whites have done to this country and this world.
And apparently, according to some, the onus is on minorities in America to step up and organize, address problems, work toward solutions for problems caused by whites. (I’m using “white” for want of another descriptor because of the subject of the article. I am in no way indicting all white people.}
01 Jun 2008 at 09:27 am | #
Does anyone have anything to say about the fact that the St. Catherine parish festival had to move its yearly event from the parish grounds to a safer location some 2 miles away?
Would anyone care to comment that problems at the yearly event began to occur after the introduction of section-8 housing to the community?
Maybe someone has something to say about the St. Leo parish festival being held at Harvest Home Fairgrounds 3 miles away from the church which is located on Baltimore Avenue.
01 Jun 2008 at 11:35 am | #
From cincysuz..............
I think it’s very telling that in his own story, the pastor (probably white or he would have indicated otherwise) pointed out that “[he] was too rough on the African Americans at the table.” This says to me that even the pastor observed that White Male and his cohorts were treating the African Americans differently, probably showing his own prejudice and disdain. Security probably suggested that the booth be shut down because that was the only way to diffuse a situation created by White Male and pacify he and his gang of white thugs..........................
Talk about turning the table!
Security suggested shutting down the booth a few times for 10 or 15 minutes to let things cool down. Security observed the behavior of the African American males playing the game. Security suggesteed we just shut down the booth after the officers observed the thuggers and buggers getting quite nasty with the booth workers, who, by the way were volunteering their time for the cause.
As for the pastor, you will not want to hear this,but he is quite a bleeding heart liberal. He is a good fellow, and I’m sure suz is a nice gal, but liberals just can’t see the truth when it is right in front of them.
As for whiteness, I know that most African Americans are not like the ones we had the exprience with at the festival.
Just finished an excellent book - HARD LIVING ON CLAY STREET, by Joseph T. Howell about hard living in a white working class in D.C. around 1970. If cincysuz is a social worker, she may have read this when in grad school.
Another great book dealing with white people, poverty, alcholholism, abuse is the GLASS CASTLE by Jeanette Wells. I have low tollerance of people of all races who live as these people in both of these books, not just black people. I have zero tollerance for parents (white & black) who are not into their children’s education.
I am puzzled by the fact that no one seems to have a comment that a church festival had to be moved out of the area for safety reasons. If you stand on the corner of Fischer and Wunder Ave, you will see nice old homes and most of them are well maintained. St Catherine parish has a large plot of land, several acres, and it had to be quite costly to move the event. Many parishes who have had a festival for maybe 60 or 70 years accumulate a great deal of equipment, their own booth devises, wheels, etc. and all of this stuff had to be hauled to the Harvest Home Grounds.
The focus of concern should be to educate the section 8 people (black and white) as how to behave when they live in an established middle class neighborhood. There was such a suggestion made for section eight people moving into the Cleveand suburb of Parma Heights (or is it just Parma). Of course, liberals highly objected to it.
01 Jun 2008 at 11:46 am | #
You need a comment? How’s this: sounds like this white church totally failed in terms of reaching out to help new neighbors in need. This church did not fulfill Christ’s example. The last shall be first and the first shall be last. Christ hung out with lepers. If he came to Westwood, he’d be living in Section 8.
cincysuz: Amen. (This is weird… We are in total agreement so far!)
Once again, you totally fail to respond specifically to the topic being addressed, changing the subject so you can appear to make a coherent point.
“Our” city? In what neighborhood did you grow up? Where do you now live?
01 Jun 2008 at 04:24 pm | #
Thank you Dean. On this one I think we have a common understanding and that won’t change. Back to race. I have a bias. Young white female drivers scare me. Alot. I cringe when I see them. I try to get in another lane. I have been known to pull over and let them pass out of fear. If I don’t catch myself I can get into all kinds of gross generalizations in my head about the girls, their parents, how they were raised, what should happen to them. And using your logic, I have every reason to be suspicious and afraid of them. They’ve done damage to me. I’ve been rear-ended by one--the only accident I’ve had in my life and she didn’t have insurance. Another bashed in my car door with hers. In neither of these incidents did the girls show much concern for me or the damage they’d caused, just how much trouble they’d be in. All of the near-miss accidents I’ve had have involved distracted, young white females, almost always on cell phones, not just talking but texting while they drive. I try to consciously fight this pre-conception, this bigotry of mine. Even though it’s been my real, life experience, I have to tell myself it’s an anomoly, not ammunition to indict a certain group. It’s not fair even though I’ve had so many negative experiences with this category of driver, to conclude that all young, white females are inconsiderate, distracted and potentially dangerous drivers. That’s the lesson here. Examine your own motives before you make sweeping and inevitably false conclusions about others.
As far as the church festival moving, just as many have stayed in the neighborhoods where they were needed. There are church festivals in every neighborhood in and around Cincinnati. You must be embarrassed to have to admit that yours cut and run.
01 Jun 2008 at 05:09 pm | #
Who cares, isn’t the term race card just a rhetorical device to devalue or minimize claims of racism.
A Dateline special examined this and found that Cincinnati police were racially profiling at the time. I don’t think that if a white man had run into an alley in a white neighborhood he would’ve been shot in the back.
into91, it’s too bad that the average American worker is working longer hours and making less money than they did in 1978 at the same time worker productivity, corporate profits and CEO pay has sored. Our governmnet has sent good paying jobs over seas, given corporations more tax shelters and corporate welfare because we have a corporate controlled election system.
The average American worker is working longer hours and making less money than workers in every other industrialized nation (and they get free health care). This is because our public servants have given themselves many pay increases while failing to adjust the minimum wage for inflation. They have increasingly shifted the tax burden from corporations and wealthy onto the working poor.
If you read “Nickel and Dimed” or “Free lunch” you’ll see how the system is rigged against the working poor. There’s less social mobility in our country than in other inudstrialized nations.
BTW, lasallemom, I live in Clifton Heights and am just a few blocks from OTR. I’ll take the tour next week if possible.
01 Jun 2008 at 06:15 pm | #
White Male why do you belong to a church? You admit you don’t like poor people. That’s unchristian. Maybe you should stay after for Bible study or is that what your church teaches?
01 Jun 2008 at 06:31 pm | #
Young white female drivers scare me. Alot. I cringe when I see them. I try to get in another lane. I have been known to pull over and let them pass out of fear. If I don’t catch myself I can get into all kinds of gross generalizations in my head about the girls, their parents, how they were raised, what should happen to them. And using your logic, I have every reason to be suspicious and afraid of them. They’ve done damage to me. I’ve been rear-ended by one--the only accident I’ve had in my life and she didn’t have insurance. Another bashed in my car door with hers. - - - - from cincysuz - -
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Re the white female with no insurance: Your uninsured driver provision probably picked up the tab for the repairs - less the deductable. Then it was up to you to collect the deductable from the tortfeasor.
I’ll bet you had no difficulty in contacting her. Further if you went to her house, possibly her parents confirmed that she lived there and you made some arrangement with her to reimburse you for the deductable.
TRUE STORY: Friend of mine was rear-ended by a Hispanic driving an old cluker and NO INSURANCE.
Conveniently, he didn’t speak a lick of English. He was arrested.
Cincysuz, the guy stopped by the residence where the Hispanic was supposed to live. Found several Hispanics there - no one knew him or offered him help.
Go figure!
01 Jun 2008 at 08:00 pm | #
There has been some confusion about this post, so let me restate the second sentence, which you can find at the top of the original article:
Yes, that says that “white people” should use the racial descriptor “white.”
Please try to pay attention!
02 Jun 2008 at 05:45 am | #
cincysuz says:
01 Jun 2008 at 06:15 pm | # White Male why do you belong to a church? You admit you don’t like poor people. That’s unchristian. Maybe
I don’t like poor people?
WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT CINCYSUZ?
In the 1970s a white single mother co-worker with a small child made the descision to return to college for nursing school. She was divorced,had child support payments. She laid out her plans and that included quitting her job, going on welfare and food stamps for the two years it would take and eventually landing a job as a R.N.
Boy, did she catch shi# from her family. But she stuck to her guns, finished her nursing school and landed a job. Yup, she was poor for a while. She had a goal and stuck to it.
About 15 years ago I was in a a low income section 8 aparemtn project in Covington that was predominately white. I only recall that it was on the south west side of the city and there was a long driveway going up-hill to get to the several buildings. In a conversation with the office complex manager I asked if any of these tenants have plans or goals (see above RN) to improve themselves.
Her response: roll eyes.
Do you get my point suz?
02 Jun 2008 at 06:51 am | #
The Dean of Cincinnati says:
01 Jun 2008 at 11:46 am | #
You need a comment? How’s this: sounds like this white church totally failed in terms of reaching out to help new neighbors in need. This church did not fulfill Christ’s example. The last shall be first and the first shall be last. Christ hung out with lepers. If he came to Westwood, he’d be living in Section 8.
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Liberal people continue to turn the table! I don’t get it.
Just what should the white church have done?
02 Jun 2008 at 10:01 am | #
I think it’d be great if the news media were to do this. I’ve never understood why a perp is described by his race only if he’s non-white.
Of course, i don’t see the need to eliminate using race as a descriptor in all situations...for instance...if you’re at a party and there are 15 white folks and 1 black woman and someone asks you which one is “sarah” and you know that “sarah” is the black woman...do you say: she’s the one with the teal shirt and brown pants on...or do you say: Sarah? she’s the black girl right there. (reverse races if there were 15 black folks and 1 white girl).
I do think that this would be a really interesting game.
02 Jun 2008 at 11:15 am | #
Why does it seem, that whenever a white person in this country is questioned about inappropriate comments they make regarding minorities, it suddenly becomes an attack on free speech and thus on the patriotism of our veterans. As a white male with no love for this or any country in particular I say the less silly, fanatical nationalism in this country the better. Maybe once they stop clinging to freedom of speech as an exscuse for their racist attitudes some people will realize how absurd and outdated their notions of race really are.
03 Jun 2008 at 03:08 pm | #
Since unneeded descriptors seem to be the problem, what if we just took the time to use several of them? Instead of just color we could make sure to include size of ears, eyes, hair, and however many other physical attributes you can think of. It could either bring about even more specific generalities or it could result in a sensationally entertaining game of you over analyzing things that just plain don’t matter.
“Hey my white, curly haired, glasses wearing, clean shaven friend Dean. You want to hang out with my big eared, white, blue eyed, goatee clad friend Sean?”
...funny stuff.
03 Jun 2008 at 03:34 pm | #
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime.
When you keep giving people fish, the do not wish to learn.
Why would they? Learning is hard. Having people give you something is easy.
03 Jun 2008 at 03:39 pm | #
Vernon. Great point!
It shows how people like “white male” and his church have totally failed at teaching their new neighbors how to fish, like Christ might have. That is exactly what I’m talking about. Thanks for helping!
03 Jun 2008 at 03:43 pm | #
Reached out to the new neighbors, with love and respect, to show them the way, silly goose!
03 Jun 2008 at 10:43 pm | #
Nice try… don’t forget to pick up a version of the home game when you leave.
It shows that when you give people too much, they have no incentive to learn.
No matter how hard the church tries.......
04 Jun 2008 at 05:36 am | #
The Dean of Cincinnati says:
03 Jun 2008 at 03:39 pm | # Vernon. Great point!
It shows how people like “white male” and his church have totally failed at teaching their new neighbors how to fish, like Christ might have. That is exactly what I’m talking about. Thanks for helping!
The Dean of Cincinnati says:
03 Jun 2008 at 03:43 pm | # Just what should the white church have done?
Reached out to the new neighbors, with love and respect, to show them the way
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Is the Dean of Cincinnati aware of the fact that the Archdiocese of Cincinnati has designated seveal parish schools as INNER CITY SCHOOLS. These are, for the most part, parishes that could not operate a school on their own budget and required subsidies from downtown to keep afloat. These parish schools provide a private school education for free to many many African American (non Catholic) children.
The Archdiocese has informed other parishes that “you are on your own” and there will be no more subsidies for the school. Thus, as you may have observed, there have been quie a few parish school closings/mergers in the past two years. AND, btw, these are predominately white parishes.
It is almost as if you blame the entire Westwood problem on St. Cathriene Church and its members.
04 Jun 2008 at 06:36 am | #
Don’t change the subject. We are not talking about the archdiocese, or downtown schools. We are talking about westside white Catholics failing to reach out to their new neighbors in the spirit of Christ.
04 Jun 2008 at 06:38 am | #
I never said that people should be given too much. But since you like quotes by Jesus, how about this one:
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=19&verse=23&end_verse=25&version=31&context=context