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Friday, May 02, 2008
Cincinnati arrests more Black people for marijuana
Posted by Michael Earl Patton
Photo courtesy of here.
I looked at the arrest statistics for the Cincinnati marijuana ordinance for the first 3 months of this year. As the Beacon reported earlier, there is a vast difference in the numbers of arrests for African-Americans and Whites.
For the first 3 months, 795 Blacks were arrested under this ordinance while only 127 Whites—a difference of over 6 to 1. There were also a handful of arrests of other races or where the race was not recorded.
Most of the arrests were in inner-city neighborhoods such as Over-the-Rhine, which are predominately Black neighborhoods, but the disparity extends to mixed and predominately White neighborhoods, too. For example, there was 1 Black arrested in overwhelmingly White Hyde Park and no Whites arrested. In Oakley there were 4 Blacks arrested and only 1 White. In Cifton there were 16 Blacks arrested and only 6 Whites. In Mt. Airy there were 25 Blacks arrested and only 1 White.
Various studies have shown that the marijuana usage rate for Blacks and Whites is about the same. And Cincinnati’s population ratio is slightly weighted towards Whites. In addition, many suburban Whites come to Cincinnati specifically in order to buy drugs. So why the big difference in arrests?
Arrest data can be found in the statistics area of the Cincinnati Police Department page on the city’s website, http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov.
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03 May 2008 at 03:28 am | #
Good question for Cecil Thomas. Now the city has to pay the county to jail them. Awesome.
03 May 2008 at 07:00 am | #
Personally I don’t use pot (haven’t smoked it since the early ‘90s) and don’t believe its use should be criminalized.
But- “So why the big difference in arrests?” Well, if you’re smoking pot in public then you’re more likely to get busted.
And/or if you’re committing some other infraction, however petty (such as jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk, etc.), and are holding you’re more likely to get busted.
It’s really just not that complicated.
03 May 2008 at 07:27 am | #
When asked about pot smoking college kids in Clifton, Leslie Ghiz specifically said she was NOT worried about arresting them.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2612300871503300748
So comments like that make your conclusion seem less valid. They support the idea that, in fact, these laws are being implemented in a racially biased manner.
03 May 2008 at 07:49 am | #
So comments like that make your conclusion seem less valid. They support the idea that, in fact, these laws are being implemented in a racially biased manner.
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Leslie is one of nine on city council. Does she pull that much weight with regards to arresting or not arresting college kids in Clifton for smoking pot?
Could it be that the college kids do not smoke pot out in the open?
You have covered BUS ROUTE RACISM and this subject.
I have a suggestion: Why not go to Fay Apartments and learn the reason for NOT ONE of the 30 to 40 people who witnessed a murder did not step forward and cooprate with the police investigation. After all, these people had a CIVIC DUTY to cooperate with the police, didn’t they?
From my observation approximately 50% of police on patrol in Cincinnati are African American. Ask them why so many blacks are arrested for smoking pot.
BTW: Are you arrested or just given a citation when caught?
03 May 2008 at 08:29 am | #
She was a vocal supporter of the ordinance, and her comments are telling in that they create a context. She pushed for the legislation, and she has no interest in seeing it enforced in a balanced manner. She said she did not care about college kids smoking pot.
Why do you capitalize the phrase “BUS ROUTE RACISM”? I simply noted, in an earlier article, that I have heard the allegation for years—and so I just raised the question and asked people if they thought there was anything to it. What is wrong with that?
If there were no profiling here, half of those arrested would be white.
03 May 2008 at 08:31 am | #
Let’s not forget that the main advocate of this law, Cecil Thomas (who also believes Hamilton County should be a dry County) only wanted to enforce this law as a way to search people for guns.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7622652461933689282
03 May 2008 at 08:54 am | #
I have mentioned a couple possible reasons why in an earlier article on a shooting that happened near where I was working. First, the way the police asked possible witnesses was to walk into the crowd that had gathered around the victim and ask, “did anyone see anything?” Now there were several people there whom I did not recognize. As far as I know one or more of them were connected to the shooter.
Also, many have the perception that the police are 1) biased, 2) some of them profit from the drug trade, which is at root of most of the shootings, and 3) don’t respond when the neighborhood calls them for help about the drug trade. There is a lack of trust between the neighborhood and the police. The above article is about #1 and I can personally attest to the validity of #3 when it comes to District 4 police about drug crime in Walnut Hills. I have heard stories about #2, cannot personally attest to any of them, but the stories are out there and are wide-spread.
The police need to get out of the cruisers and walk and get to know the community. As it is now, if there is a shooting and officers one hasn’t seen before show up, why should someone put themselves at risk given #1, #2, and #3 above?
I also question White Male’s assertion that about 50% of the officers on patrol are African-American. That has not been my observation, and in any event it has nothing to do with #2 or #3 and only marginally with #1.
03 May 2008 at 11:31 am | #
Fuck the police.
03 May 2008 at 04:05 pm | #
FROM THE DEAN OF CINCINNATI............Why do you capitalize the phrase “BUS ROUTE RACISM”? I simply noted, in an earlier article, that I have heard the allegation for years—and so I just raised the question and asked people if they thought there was anything to it. What is wrong with that?
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Dean, there was nothing wrong with your raising the question. After all, its your paper. It seems to me that you spend an inordinate amount of time trying to uncover racism under each and every rock.
For example, you or one of your reporters could interview people in the Fay Apartments to get find the reason for not one single person stepping forward to assist the police in their recent murder investigation. A woman was murdered on a warm evening when some 30-40 people were outside. Someone had to see something!
Or you could investigate and report on the fact that St. Catherine’s Parish Festival is being held at the Harvest Home Fairgrounds this month. There is a billboard ad for the event located at I-74 and North Bend Road. This parish held their annual festival on parish grounds located at the interesection of Fischer and Wunder Aves in Westwood. From what I understand the event moved for safety reasons. It seems that many of the nearby Section-8 residents have been causing trouble for festival patrons. There have been fights, assaults, purse snatchings and people were mugged off the festival grounds. As you probably know, there are several section-8 aparemtns in that area. Bracken Woods has many 4 family buildings and off Gobel Avenue there is a very large section 8 complex. These are within one half mile of the parish. St. Catherine has to RENT the Harvest Home Fairgrounds which takes away from the profit of the event.
A co-worker of mine lived in the apartments off Gobel Ave, a large complex, in the early to mid 1970s. It was not section 8 then. CRIME WAS NOT A PROBLEM THERE.
And, Dean, believe me, the type of things that have occured at the St. Catherine Festival DID NOT OCCUR PRIOR TO SECTION 8 HOUSING IN THE AREA. This is not the first year St. Catherine’s had to take their festival to a safe neighborhood.
FROM THE DEAN OF CINCINNATI.......
If there were no profiling here, half of those arrested would be white.
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I don’t know. As I have stated, with so many African American cops on the force, it would seem to me that they would have to part of the profiling conspiracy. I just don’t think they would engage in that.
Kind of reminds me of school administrators putting pressure on principals who, in turn, put pressure on teachers to discipline one white student for each black student they have to discipline. No kidding, that is really happening.
Prior to Section 8 Housing being introduced into the Westwood area near St. Catherine Parish, the festival was held on parish grounds without the crime that it has experienced in the past few years.
Reporting on subjects such as the above would a fair and balanced approach to dealing with race relations in Cincinnati. Wouldn’t you agree?
03 May 2008 at 04:22 pm | #
What is your point? Do you think I deny that there exist black people who commit crime? Do you deny that the racism as discussed in the main article exists?
03 May 2008 at 04:30 pm | #
And if the police just don’t even try to find offenders in white neighborhoods—or if they only search black people in white neighborhoods, then you are more likely to get the results MEP found.
It’s really just not that complicated.
03 May 2008 at 06:06 pm | #
In addition (and not to discredit the validity of any of the arguments made above as I think that many are very valid).
I wonder if there is a bit of a difference in purchasing methods of pot. Suburbanites tend to buy from their friends. Where as much of the exchange you see in neighborhoods like over-the-rhine tend to be out in the open and stranger to stranger.
Open air stranger-to-stranger markets certainly makes people easier targets for arrest.
03 May 2008 at 06:16 pm | #
.
Society has to keep those long-dong black men from seducing our white women with that there marijuana, PERIOD !
Penis Envy ?
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04 May 2008 at 02:25 am | #
Freedom Fighters says:
03 May 2008 at 06:16 pm | #
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Society has to keep those long-dong black men from seducing our white women with that there marijuana, PERIOD !
Penis Envy ?
LOTS.
EFF THA POLICE.
Great article, Dean.
04 May 2008 at 09:05 am | #
I think there is a difference, but there’s more to it than the above. The open-air drug markets one sees in the inner-city neighborhoods are frequented by suburban Whites. I see them all the time in Walnut Hills looking for a contact. The locals don’t need to go searching for the dealers—they know where they live. Those transactions are not in the open. It is the drug-shopping Whites who stick out.
Once a suburban White makes a buy, then they go to their friends and that transaction is as described, that is, from friend-to-friend. The “out in the open and stranger to stranger” transactions in the inner-city neighborhoods are between Blacks and Whites. Therefore, the question remains, why are so many more Blacks than Whites arrested for marijuana possession?
04 May 2008 at 09:38 am | #
From the Dean of Cincinnati..... Do you deny that the racism as discussed in the main article exists?
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I do not believe that there is a blatant effort on the part of the Cincinnati Police Department, Chief Stricher and others to single out black people for arrests. Could it be that white people are more discreet in their use of pot?
Didn’t that Collaborative Agreement a few years back assure that there would be no profiling?
Dean, have you noticed that when there is a graduation ceremony from the Cincinnati Police Academy, you do not see very many white males in the class? In many cases, the white males scored higher grades on the examination.
04 May 2008 at 09:51 am | #
White Male,
Did you notice that Officer Caton got promoted? Check his scores; they are not very impressive, especially considering his history.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2057224/Patrick-Caton-Test-Results
04 May 2008 at 10:02 am | #
These laws definitely aren’t applied equally and the points above about not really trying to enforce them equally come as no surprise. Many laws, not just against black, but also homeless, latino and the category generally defined as “others” are being written into the books that enable officials to “clean up the streets”. This is only partially related to illegal drug use and the crime that is often associated with it.
There is a clear difference between these “others” and who the laws are meant to serve and protect. This doesn’t mean all black people are targets, or that black cops are in some way in touch with the black people in our hardest hit communities. I have seen the unfair application of the law. Cops are never concerned with busting me for spitting on the street, jay walking, or any of the petty shit that gives them the right to search the black guy who commits the same crime.
Why would anyone talk to a cop that is an abstraction of the law that treats them unfairly, for better and for worse these other communities develop there own rules and enforcement. That’s what happens when the larger society disowns you and no longer looks out for your interest.
Like KRS say…
All rude bwoy lissen up!
Black cop!! Black cop black cop black cop
Stop shootin black people, we all gonna drop
You don’t even get, paid a whole lot
So take your M-60 and put it ‘pon lock!
Take your four-five and you put it ‘pon lock!
Lookin for your people when you walk down a block
Here in America you have drug spot
They get the black cop, to watch the drug spot
The black drug dealer just avoid black cop
They’re killin each other on a East Coast block
Killin each other on a West Coast block
White police, don’t give a care about dat
Dem want us killin each other over crack
Anyway you put it it’s a black on BLACK
Black cop black cop black cop
Black cop black cop black cop
Thirty years, there were no black cops
You couldn’t even run, drive round the block
Recently police trained black cop
To stand on the corner, and take gunshot
This type of warfare isn’t new or a shock
It’s black on black crime again nonSTOP
Black cop!! Black cop black cop
Black cop black cop black cop
“Don’t be the sucker..
Don’t be the sucker comin into my face..
Don’t be the sucker..”
Here’s what the West and the East have in common
Both have black cops in cars profilin
Hardcore kids in the West got stress
In the East we are chased by the same black beast
The black cop is the only real obstacle
Black slave turned black cop is not logical
But very psychological, haven’t you heard?
It’s the BLACK COP killin black kids in Johannesburg
Whassup black cop, yo, whassup?!
Your authorization says shoot your nation
You wanna uphold the law, what could you do to me?
The same law dissed the whole black community
You can’t play both sides of the fence
1993 mad kids are gettin tense
Black cop!! Black cop black cop black cop
Stop shootin black people we all gonna drop
You don’t even get, paid a whole lot
Take your four-five and you put it ‘pon lock!
Take your M-60 and put it ‘pon lock!
Take your uzi, put it ‘pon lock!
Black cop black cop black cop
Black cop black cop black cop
04 May 2008 at 02:46 pm | #
The Dean of Cincinnati says:
04 May 2008 at 09:51 am | # White Male,
Did you notice that Officer Caton got promoted? Check his scores; they are not very impressive
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How many officers that tested were promoted?
Why would he be promoted over others if his score was low?
What do you mean by “especially considering his history?”
Are you aware that Roger Owensby served in the Army for 8 years?
With that military background, wouldn’t you think Mr. Owensby would
understand protocol and decorum and when confronted by a police officer, he would cooperate to the fullest? What would cause him to ignore the officer’s orders?
Did you notice the class and dignity displayed by the parents of the Miami Grad student who was killed after being tazed a few weeks ago in Oxford. The parents said to wait for the results of the investigation. It was kind of different from the manner the families of those killed by Cincinnati police considering that they were armed or resisting arrest.
04 May 2008 at 07:36 pm | #
Are these people being arrested for selling dope or using? That would make a difference in the argument about racism. Many white suburbanites come to OTR to buy their dope.
04 May 2008 at 10:27 pm | #
How many officers that tested were promoted?
Why would he be promoted over others if his score was low?
What do you mean by “especially considering his history?”
Are you aware that Roger Owensby served in the Army for 8 years?
With that military background, wouldn’t you think Mr. Owensby would
understand protocol and decorum and when confronted by a police officer, he would cooperate to the fullest? What would cause him to ignore the officer’s orders?
Did you notice the class and dignity displayed by the parents of the Miami Grad student who was killed after being tazed a few weeks ago in Oxford. The parents said to wait for the results of the investigation. It was kind of different from the manner the families of those killed by Cincinnati police considering that they were armed or resisting arrest.
White Male....
Are you aware of Caton’s history?
Better yet---are you aware of just how ignorant, racist and F’ed up you sound comparing the circumstances of the two deaths?
Or do you even care?
My guess is “NO” to all of the above.
05 May 2008 at 06:07 am | #
Anon 04 May 2008 10:29 PM states.........
Better yet---are you aware of just how ignorant, racist and F’ed up you sound comparing the circumstances of the two deaths?-----------------------------------------------------------------
NO.
I am aware, however, of the fact that many people, such as yourself Anon @10:29, tend to shoot from the hip and call someone a racist/bigot upon the slightest disagreement with your values.
Why don’t you attempt to explian it to me, Anon 10:29.
You remind me of the person with whom I was engaged in a casual conversation several years ago when the issue of school busing was being tossed around. If you recall, the initial desegregation suit involving Cincinnati public schools included the suburban districts. I raised the question to the other co worker who was African American about the different tax structures, differneces in mills paid to the schools, etc. and that it could never work. From that point on she thought I was a racist and bigot. BTW: The suburban school districts were dropped from the suit because it was realized that there was no valid complaint against them.
05 May 2008 at 06:15 am | #
The arrest stats are under CMC 910-23, which means possession.
05 May 2008 at 06:17 am | #
The different tax structures? You mean the ones the Ohio Supreme Court has found unconstitutional on four different occasions?
05 May 2008 at 07:02 am | #
From the Dean of Cincinnati.........I raised the question to the other co worker who was African American about the different tax structures, differneces in mills paid to the schools, etc. and that it could never work. From that point on she thought I was a racist and bigot.
The different tax structures? You mean the ones the Ohio Supreme Court has found unconstitutional on four different occasions?
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We are on the same page Dean of Cincinnati.
My concern is that once a new tax structure for schools is implimented, would the mills paid to the local schools be removed from the property tax bill.
The example I used regarding the busing situation was from the 1970s when the Bronson vs. Board of Education during the early 1970s. By the time the suit was filed in U.S. District court in Cincinnati, the Dayton schools had began busing students for the purposes of intergeration. Of course, residents fled the Dayton area to Kettering, Centerville, Vandalia, and Greene County.
This would be another example where Anon 10;29 would lable someone a racist.
Dean of Cincinnati, I would support a hefty raise in the state sales tax as long as the property tax was eliminated. Thus, everyone would have a stake in funding education.
05 May 2008 at 07:56 am | #
Roger Owensby did co-operate with the police, consenting to a search that lasted 15 minutes as seen in the store video-tape. See the CityBeat article “Piling On.” This was in no way just a quick “pat-down” search. After a time Mr. Owensby apparently realized that he was in danger from the police and he tried to run. We do not know what exactly made him run because the police did indeed beat him to death. Evidence from at least one witness that Officer Jorg acted with forethought and intended to beat Owensby was suppressed during Jorg’s trial.
Unfortuantely, Cincinnati City Council acquiesced in bringing back and promoting Officer Caton, who is also known to have participated in the beating death of Roger Owensby. By doing so they hold him up as an example of the type of officer they want on the police force. It’s no surprise then that the arrests under the marijuana ordinance show a pattern of racial profiling. In fact, they—with the exception of Councilman Crowley—have praised the police for their enforcement of this ordinance.
05 May 2008 at 04:07 pm | #
many white suburbanites come to over the rhine to buy their drugs- the get their dope from the basement of the suburbs. Dope is available anywhere the harder core drugs are not.
05 May 2008 at 05:23 pm | #
“Once a suburban White makes a buy, then they go to their friends and that transaction is as described, that is, from friend-to-friend. The “out in the open and stranger to stranger” transactions in the inner-city neighborhoods are between Blacks and Whites. Therefore, the question remains, why are so many more Blacks than Whites arrested for marijuana possession?” -Patton #15
Well the new city marijuana ordinance was intended to target drug dealers. So that may answer your question.
I still think this whole thing is a waste of tax payer money. Legalize it, Regulate it, tax it.
It’s easier for a kid to get his or her hands on pot than it is for him or her to get cigarettes.
05 May 2008 at 06:27 pm | #
No. Drug-dealing was already illegal. CMC 910-23 was implemented to give more of a reason to search people, hoping to find guns.
05 May 2008 at 06:37 pm | #
Funnelcale wisely said..........
I still think this whole thing is a waste of tax payer money. Legalize it, Regulate it, tax it.
It’s easier for a kid to get his or her hands on pot than it is for him or her to get cigarettes.
And White Male says: AMEN, BROTHER!
As an old geezer I don’t use it, never have. But I have no problem with
it being
legal,
taxed,
regulated.
There was a time when a 17 year old having a beer (3.2) was no big deal.
Now, a kid at age 20 comes home from Iraq, goes to a party and is served a beer, and the guy who gave him the beer - - will be fined, jailed and possibly have his private property confiscated.
TRUE STORY:
At age 19 I was sent to Viet Nam. Returned home just barely being 20 years old.
Miliary charter flight was from Saigon to Tokoyo - had 2 hours lay over for refueling. Now where do you think 175 GIs head for when they have 2 hours. The BAR. Everyone had some beers and SMOKED.
Then flew to Anchorage.
First thing I wanted at that point was a glass of REAL MILK.
You see, we had powdered milk for one entire year.
Then on to Travis AFB, outside of San Francisco.
Then bused to the San Francisco Airport.
The drinking age was 21 in California for everything.
I had a fake military I.D. Card (not proud of that), and had to
use it to buy a beer in a San Francisco airport bar.
Seems that things were more fun years ago.
Saw the movie - PAPER MOON a few weeks ago.
Tatum Oneal played a role as a 9 or 10 year old, she probably was about
that same age when it was filmed. It was made in the ‘70s, was in black and white and the plot occured during the Great Depression.
CAN YOU BELIEVE: She smoked a few cigarettes in that movie. Can you imagine the review on that move nowadays?
It would have been R or X rated because of yougsters possibly seeing a 10 year old girl smoke cigarettes. For those of you who saw it, you understand that her smoking was appropriate for that movie.
05 May 2008 at 11:52 pm | #
To White Male---
Most racists/bigots are the ones who refuses to see he or she is one.
With all of your prior commentaries on this thread and others, it’s pretty safe to say you easily fall in that category.
Acknowledgement is ALWAYS the FIRST step to RECOVERY, should you WANT to heal.....
Just a thought.
06 May 2008 at 06:44 am | #
from Anon @ 1:52 pm.....
To White Male---
Most racists/bigots are the ones who refuses to see he or she is one.
With all of your prior commentaries on this thread and others, it’s pretty safe to say you easily fall in that category.
Acknowledgement is ALWAYS the FIRST step to RECOVERY, should you WANT to heal.....
Just a thought.
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Should I want to heal?
What is there to heal?
FYI I do not consider myself superior to anyone of a different race.
06 May 2008 at 07:17 am | #
And furthermore Anon @ 05 MAY 2008 AT 11:52 PM....why don’t you poke some humor at some of the affluent latte drinking, Volvo-driving, masters-degree wielding, Granola chomping, tree hugging, anti-validctorian, anti dodge-ball, anti-Christmas, anti-Easter, pro abortion, illegal immigrant hugging, white guilt ridden, pro welfare, pro redistribution of wealth, pro dealth tax, pro carbon tax, pro global tax, anti-Anwr drilling, anti offshore drilling, anti-SUV, business hating, anti-honor roll posting, anti-suburb, cop-hating, anti-military,
outcome based liberals on this board?
06 May 2008 at 01:49 pm | #
‘White Male says: 06 May 2008 at 07:17 am | # And furthermore Anon @ 05 MAY 2008 AT 11:52 PM....why don’t you poke some humor at some of the affluent latte drinking, Volvo-driving, masters-degree wielding, Granola chomping, tree hugging, anti-validctorian, anti dodge-ball, anti-Christmas, anti-Easter, pro abortion, illegal immigrant hugging, white guilt ridden, pro welfare, pro redistribution of wealth, pro dealth tax, pro carbon tax, pro global tax, anti-Anwr drilling, anti offshore drilling, anti-SUV, business hating, anti-honor roll posting, anti-suburb, cop-hating, anti-military, outcome based liberals on this board?”
WHITE TRASH with BLACK PENIS ENVY ?
06 May 2008 at 02:14 pm | #
Mr. Patton,
Didn’t the city actually fire Officer Caton but was forced to bring him back after they lost a lawsuit or something? From what i understand the city council was none too pleased about him coming back but really had no choice but do do so.
White male, that’s quite a list. I think i fit with most of those categories, is it okay if i split a few of them out? I mean, i drive a honda, not a volvo...and i don’t mind valedictorians or honor rolls...i don’t hate cops...but i am a little anti-burbs.
06 May 2008 at 02:31 pm | #
Who are you calling outcome based!?
06 May 2008 at 07:41 pm | #
Thanks for proving my point about your bigotry with the tirade of labels you unleashed on a segment of the population who don’t look/believe/think/operate like you. Again---you prove my point by virtue of your screen moniker.
Quite hilarious, BTW.
06 May 2008 at 08:06 pm | #
yeah, the city lost in the arbitration hearing, i believe....
as do i, except no one’s pro-abortion.... most folx are anti-abortion, as am I, but I’m pro-choice, which many anti-choice folx confuse w/ being pro-abortion, which we are not.... and all that silliness of being anti-Christmas/easter, you sound like you’re channelling Bill O’Liarly....
07 May 2008 at 08:43 am | #
Dean,
What, exactly, could the city council do about Officer Caton getting promoted? They lost in arbitration and had to bring him back. Then, he takes a test and passes it. He meets the requirements for advancement that the city has in place with the police union, so, It doesn’t seem like they had much of a choice with his promotion.
Personally, i think their reaction to his promotion was slow and reeked of politics which renders it fairly useless. But, again, they didn’t have any other options at their disposal.
07 May 2008 at 04:58 pm | #
From Anon #37........
Struck a nerve, White Male?
Thanks for proving my point about your bigotry with the tirade of labels you unleashed on a segment of the population who don’t look/believe/think/operate like you. Again---you prove my point by virtue of your screen moniker. Quite hilarious, BTW.
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If you consider ME a bigot, then I would expect you to label some on this board who appear intollerant to conservatives and their opinions. It works both ways.
One gal, Suz-somebody - throws out works in her responses such as dopt, idiot, etc. Justin climbed all over my case when I argued against global warming and refused to accept my links on the subject citing that they are from conservative groups, oil companies, etc. Yet, he marches to the beat of Al. Gore. Go figure!
Cincy-Suz, Justin and myself most probably do not discriminate against any one group. I have minimal tollerance for those who continue to expect hand outs without attempting to improve themselves. Its something similar to caring for an elderly parent. I have resentment for the siblings who refuse to help, take time from work to take her to the doctor, and help out when needed. They aren’t there when she was alive, but they line up to split a meager estate of about $12,000 expecting their “fair” share.
My approach to life is reasonably fair and balanced.
07 May 2008 at 07:47 pm | #
Ah, WM, fair and balanced. Where have we heard that before? And is that poor black co-worker you cornered into listening to your bussing tirade the very same one you also mentioned a while back as having a child that pissed in your pool when you were trying to make yet another series of bigoted generalizations? White Male, if you were actually really in Vietnam, you should probably be evaluated for PTSD. You sound as if you have some mind racing, paranoia, hypervigilence and anger. Get some help, dude. The world has left you behind.
07 May 2008 at 09:42 pm | #
White Male, if you’ve paid any attention at all, you’d know I’m not a fan of Al Gore.
It’s clear that the scientific community agrees on global warming, except for a handful that were paid by oil companies. I wrote a special article for you and challenged you to come up with some credible sources. Was that intollerant? You failed to even try. You even linked to your own silly comments. Would you like to try again? (Please do!)
The top scientists all agree! And I agree that your labeling of people is way off the mark.
08 May 2008 at 06:40 am | #
Cincysuz - - Busing tirade? ?
There you go!
We are talking about a simple casual conversation. The topic of the time was busing. No one knew what the result would be in Cincinnati, and residents of the suburban districts were concerned. There was no “tirade”, it was an exchange of views on the subject. It was not an argument.
Do you assume that the co worker was pro-busing based on the fact that was African American? Not all African American’s thought busing was the answer.
I think we can all agree now that busing was a failed experiment that left shcool districts in shambles.
08 May 2008 at 09:04 am | #
Streicher did indeed fire Caton and it went to arbitration. First, the arbitration process is approved by City Council. They do not want to confront the police union on this. Second, officers such as Twitty have been fired merely for lying about an incident. There was a Black officer who lied to cover up for Caton and he was fired and that firing stuck.
Members of council did indeed talk about passing a resolution that would express their displeasure over the rehiring and promotion of Caton. The resolution that they actually wrote just talked about improving the process without actually saying what the goal of any such improvement would be. So it was pretty meaningless. Anything can be improved in the opinion of at least some people. The function of council is to provide direction, not merely issue resolutions to “do better.”
In any event, the last I heard of the resolution it was referred to committee. If anyone has later information please let me know.
11 May 2008 at 07:34 am | #
Justin Jeffre says:
07 May 2008 at 09:42 pm | # White Male, if you’ve paid any attention at all, you’d know I’m not a fan of Al Gore.
It’s clear that the scientific community agrees on global warming, except for a handful that were paid by oil companies. I wrote a special article for you and challenged you to come up with
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Glad to see you were no fan of Al Gore.
Today’s Walter E. Williams column made me think of you and your challenge to me.
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/08/EnvironmentalistsWildPredictions.htm
Clips from the article:
Harvard University biologist George Wald in 1970 warned, “… civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” That was the same year that Sen. Gaylord Nelson warned, in Look Magazine, that by 1995 “… somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
At the first Earth Day celebration, in 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.” C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, “The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed.” In 1968, Professor Paul Ehrlich, Vice President Gore’s hero and mentor, predicted there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and “in the 1970s ... hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death.” Ehrlich forecasted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989, and by 1999 the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Ehrlich’s predictions about England were gloomier: “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.”
In 1939, the U.S. Department of the Interior said American oil supplies would last only another 13 years. In 1949, the Secretary of the Interior said the end of U.S. oil supplies was in sight. Having learned nothing from its earlier erroneous claims, in 1974 the U.S. Geological Survey advised us that the U.S. had only a 10-year supply of natural gas. The fact of the matter, according to the American Gas Association, there’s a 1,000 to 2,500 year supply.
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