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Sunday, June 01, 2008
Westwood, Section 8: Where Jesus Would Live
Posted by The Dean of Cincinnati
Photo courtesy of here.
If Jesus were alive in Cincinnati today, he’d live in Westwood in Section 8 apartments. And from that unlikely pool of baggy panted candidates, a gang of apostles would begin the modern day movement of the urban messiah. This fact—yes, I’m calling it a “fact,” based on what we know from The Bible, and I don’t even care if you believe in those stories or not—anyway, this fact demonstrates how disconnected modern Christians, particularly modern white Christians, have become from the fundamentals of their faith.
Matthew Chapter 8 brings us the story of the man with leprosy:
When he came down from the mountainside, large crowds followed him. A man with leprosy came and knelt before him and said, “Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean.”
Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. “I am willing,” he said. “Be clean!” Immediately he was cured of his leprosy.
Yes, when Jesus found someone who had a disease of the skin—the kind of person who would be an outcast in that society—Jesus was willing to reach out and touch that man.
(Interestingly, skin diseases were the kind of thing where people would turn “white.” I only mention this as a matter of fact. Biblical accounts of leprosy indicate people getting skin white like snow. Check out this story, when God turns Moses’ sister Miriam “white” because she does not like Moses’ marriage to his second wife who is from Cush, which is present day Ethiopia.)
Anyway, whatever the case, the Bible shows a Christ who went out among the outcast, the downtrodden, those in need. In the ancient world, “Samaritans” were social outcasts. No one liked a Samaritan, or wanted anything to do with them. But Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan. Christ new that Godliness could be found in people that have been oppressed and cast aside by mainstream society.
Christ also comes across like a bit of a radical socialist. He tells people to sell all they have and to give it to the poor.
To sum, Christ believed in sacrificing all one’s wealth for the sake of the poor. He found Godliness in the types of people looked down upon by the rest. He spent his time reaching out to lepers, and touching them.
Therefore, if the spirit of Jesus is alive in Westwood, it will manifest in the form of someone reaching out to those so-called outcasts living in Section 8, instead of bemoaning them and trying to run them out of town.
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01 Jun 2008 at 01:05 pm | #
My friend has been a minister at a church off President Drive, at the gateway to Fay Apartments, for more than 30 years now. Of all the people I know, he is one I hold in the highest esteem. He has ministered there with no fanfare but has affected the lives of countless people in the community.
My friend would admit that his ministry has not yielded masses of changed lives, nor has it totally transformed the community, but they persevere because they’re living out what you’ve referenced here.
01 Jun 2008 at 02:00 pm | #
This friend sounds like a great person—the kind of which the Westwide needs more. Hey Melva, let’s make a date to go to his church!
01 Jun 2008 at 08:00 pm | #
I don’t know if I can go along with your facts as stated. I think he got over all that slumming with the down trodden thing. I hear he’s hanging out with the hot soccer moms at Crossroads Imperial Church in Oakley; whispering into Brian Tomes ear, telling him that it’s Gods will to keep the poor and other under served types out of Oakley and crammed in the urban core. He got over that sell everything and give it to the poor jazz too. He now says it’s OK to keep the Beamer and/or the Porshe; in fact don’t give till it hurts, just give until you feel comfortable.
01 Jun 2008 at 08:16 pm | #
Now we know Bill Landeck is not a Christian.
01 Jun 2008 at 08:33 pm | #
Hey Jason,
You are pushing some buttons here that you need to leave alone.
I’m tired of the prostitution that is now happening on my street and my 13 year old telling me about it to the point, I’m afraid to start leaving him home alone to even run to the store. I just watched it in action tonight while coming home from church youth group. And it was in full view without any hesitation that there were people walking dogs and children.
Things have changed in the past 2 years in Westwood. I’m not an M&M fan, but they are at least trying. And my Black neighbors do go to Westwood Concern, DO SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO ST. CATHERINE’S AND VOLUNTEER THERE, and team M&M along with the rest of the group can’t even put a dent into what is happening.
We have 6-8 police cars sitting down on West Fork Road- 2 officers to a car ticketing people for turning east just giving tickets away, when they need to be sitting at the UDF breaking up some of the early summertime fun, and pver at Glenway Crossing-slowing down the new gathering place for teens- white and black.
So instead of Westwood bashing, can’t you find something else to chew on- like the bad drivers in the Rookwood/Norwood complex? Going over there last week was just as dangerous as driving thru the Fay Apartments!!!! Taking my life into my own hands!!!!
02 Jun 2008 at 03:39 am | #
Jason, apparently your evidentiary threshold is pretty low, (as in 0), for you to make “factual” claims about what you “know”, about someone else’s beliefs. But then, that should not news to anyone. Maybe your “Senior Analyst” can conjure up some divine statistics to back you up. Maybe something along the lines of, 2 out of three people who make fun of well heeled pseudo-Christians, aren’t Christians themselves. You get the idea. Don’t worry if he can’t, other religotainment performers like Brian Tome, make it up as they go along, too. Anyway, I want to state for the record, Bill Landeck is not a pseudo-Christian.
BTW, now that your speaking for Christ; when you have him hanging out with the “good” drug dealers, (read Samaritans), on the corner in Westwood, what kind of 9mm does Jesus carry?
02 Jun 2008 at 05:47 am | #
Hey Melva, let’s make a date to go to his church!
And your problem with Melva is.........
02 Jun 2008 at 06:29 am | #
JFD:
I have quotations from the Bible to support my claims. You do not. Please show any document which indicates Christ would agree with this statement:
Here’s one to prove you wrong. Gotta love this quote: “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
I noticed you did not claim you were a Christian; rather, you denied being a “pseudo-Christian.”
02 Jun 2008 at 07:13 am | #
Westwood, Section 8: Where Jesus Would Live
Posted by The Dean of Cincinnati
Photo courtesy of here.
If Jesus were alive in Cincinnati today, he’d live in Westwood in Section 8 apartments. And from that unlikely pool of baggy panted candidates, a gang of apostles would begin the modern day movement of the urban messiah.
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If Jesus were alive today and living in Westwood in Section 8 aparemtns
he would.......gather his neighbors and preach to them about love for their fellow man.
If Jesus were alive today and living in Westwood in Section 8 aparemtns
he would......preach to the single mothers and teenagers about chastity,
purity, and modesty.
If Jesus were alive today and living in Westwood in Section 8 aparemtns
he would.......he would walk the streets with his gang of baggy panted apostles in a most respectable and devout manner. He would approach other baggy panted youth and encourage them to join his “gang” or straighten out their lives by returning to school. Jesus would wonder how those baggy patned yough can pay their monthly cell phone bills. I mean, after all, those youngsters are standing on street corners day and night.
If Jesus were alive today and living in Westwood in Section 8 aparemtns
he would.......approach prostitutes walking the streets and attempt to
help them change their ways. I don’t think any amount of preaching about
chastity and purity would do any good here.
If Jesus were alive today and living in Westwood in Section 8 apartments
he would.......walk with his gang of apostles to the St. Catherine Festival (when it was still on parish grounds) and behave in a respectable and mature manner. They would not use the f-bomb loudly, they would not attempt to cheat the games, and they would not attempt to intimidate the festival patrons.
If Jesus were alive today and living in Westwood in Section 8 aparemnts
he would......encourage his fellow section-8 neighbors to become fully involved in the education of their children. He would preach about perfect attendance in school, the need to have the school kids sit at the table after dinner every night and do homework or study. Jesus would tell the parents not to be in constant turmoil with the school pricipal, office, secretary, etc. over minor issues. Jesus would sit in the office of a public elementary school in the morning and afternoon and be in tears as he would observe the constant flow of conflict, lack of respect from the students for the adults, and the same lack of respect from the parents.
If Jesus were alive today and living in Westwood in Section 8 apartments
he would.......gather the parents who were in constant conflict with the school principal, secretary, teachers, etc. and have them sit and oberve a typical day in a school office such as St. Martin (Cheviot), Seton (Price Hill), Our Mother of Mercy (Westwood), Ursula (Walnut Hills), McNicholas (Anderson Twp) and Walnut Hills (Evanston).
Notice that I mention Walnut Hills. There a handfull of schools within the Cincinnati public schools that are doing the job. I mean, after all, the National Jeapordy champio, a 15 year old sophomore,made the school look darn good.
02 Jun 2008 at 07:47 am | #
Hey Dean, I never took you for a Bible Thumper, but thanks, I totally agree. We, the Poor, have been blamed for everything that has ever gone wrong in this world. I have lived in subsidised housing on more than occassion over my 70 years of life, and guess what, I am not a prostitute. I have never bought or sold drugs. I don’t steal or carry a weapon. Most of the people I’ve met who have lived in the “Projects” I have found to be good honest people of whom I can say the same, Including my dear deceased, sainted mother, who took me and my four siblings to church every Sunday and to prayer meeting and Bible study every Wednesday evening. She also lived in the “projects. Vera Z
02 Jun 2008 at 08:00 am | #
JFD #3: “He now says it’s OK to keep the Beamer and/or the Porshe; in fact don’t give till it hurts, just give until you feel comfortable.”
I was talking about how it works over at Crossroads Imperial Church. Brian Tome says God talks to him; so don’t take issue with what I say; that is the divine word of God in action, as relayed by the Right Reverend himself. In fact, the way Tome tells it, it was God who chose 800 Bank St as the site for Citylink, and not any of the self serving reasons the opposition came up with. It’s too bad God doesn’t speak directly to you, and instead makes you quote from a book.
JH #8: “Here’s one to prove you wrong.”
You seem more interested in proving me wrong than showing any concern for my eternal salvation. From what I “know” about the Bible; that appears to be wrong minded. It makes me feel like you consider it more important to treat me like your enemy. I thought the Bible said you are supposed to love your enemy, and I’m not feeling the love. That begs the question, are you a Christian?
BTW, I thought my comments clearly demonstrated how disconnected modern Christians, particularly modern white suburban Christians, have become from the fundamentals of their faith.
02 Jun 2008 at 08:28 am | #
This is a outside the thread but Westie Westsider has been contributing to the main thread so let me digress a little.
Ironically, the Rookwood complex is almost in my backyard. I agree about the bad drivers and the traffic. We in Oakley complained about the expansion of Rookwood before it started, but we were basically told our concerns didn’t matter. Rookwood is in Norwood; we (and most of the traffic) are in Cincinnati. Even though Edwards Road was already at capacity, additional traffic would be generated. All this was several years ago—long before The Cincinnati Beacon.
I supported the battle against eminent domain against the homeowners in Norwood for another development. That battle was won but the war lost. It is just a matter of time before the new development starts and traffic worsens even more. The eminent domain angle has been well covered by the Enquirer, but perhaps the traffic angle has not. It may be worth a story in the Beacon when the last house falls (only one house is left), but the developer and Norwood have made clear that they don’t give a damn about the traffic problems as long as the people still come to the stores.
Westwood is getting attention here because M&M have been going to city council and demanding that it receive special attention and extra money.
02 Jun 2008 at 02:14 pm | #
Thanks MEP!
But at least you got my point- There are other issues that should be focused on---And you are right. I remember when my dad grew up on Portsmouth Ave- and it was filled with older families and not wantabes. It was OK. But now-I have never seen so many Saabs, BMW’s and MB’s with dents!
But back on topic- Come on over and sit in Elder my Dear Jason. Find out what Purple Nation is all about. Find out that it is more than football and volleyball and baseball. Find out that it is service projects, cleaning and painting their own campus. Find out that those boys get reamed when they start the bully crap on a fellow Panther Brother and the entire class pays the price. It stops and stops NOW. And it starts with the incoming Freshman who have learned now in the strength and conditioning room- who had to run and do the PIT steps because someone was trash talking another kid and got caught. Come over and listen to the #3 steel drum band in the country- and the Clash of the Choirs #1 winner.
And most of the kids are on scholarships-and a lot are on academic ones- not Financial aid.
So until you do your research- just give it a rest- same for Seton and Mercy.
02 Jun 2008 at 02:24 pm | #
Jesus would vote Obama.
02 Jun 2008 at 05:22 pm | #
NtotheC, I don’t know who Jesus would vote for, but I doubt he would vote to increase the Pentagon budget, or to keep troops and private contractors like Blackwater in Iraq. I doubt that Jesus would support the Apatheid and illegal occupation of Palestinian lands by Israel. I don’t think Jesus would support a pay or die health care system like Obomba does.
I think Jesus would support a living wage, single payer health care for all and an aggressive crack down on corporate crime, fraud and abuse. I think he would end corporate welfare and corporate personhood. He would probably say no to nuclear power and yes to solar power. He would likely support taxing speculation on Wall Street and a imposing a carbon pollution tax.
There is only one candidate that is putting these issue on the table and it certainly isn’t Obomba. I don’t think Jesus would be fooled by empty rhetoric or be very impressed with the policies Obomba is supporting. Please tell us what positions your candidate has taken or what about his record would make Jesus support him over the independent peace and justice candidate.
03 Jun 2008 at 12:46 am | #
About Elder. Now it’s been a couple years ago, but I went to most Catholic high schools in the area selling tickets during their lunch periods to benefit a kid dying of cancer. I saw a kid, dorky looking fella, sitting all by himself, no body talking to him, even the teachers passed him by without saying a word knowing he was the misfit in the room. Then after lunch, there was another kid required to clean up after his fellow classmates - washing the tables, sweeping the floors, and picking up the trash they left behind. I asked why he was doing this- I was told in exchange for his tuition.
Don’t give me this crap about Elder or any other Catholic school.
My daughter attended McAuley. When I got sick and couldn’t afford tuition at the start of her senior year, they told me tough. My daughter had to get court permission to drain three grand gifted to her to pay for her college in order to finish school.
There was another girl whose family fell on hard times that year, the school again refused to help, thank goodness, the students themselves all pitched in a paid her tuition so she could finish.
I read recently that Catholic schools became popular and numerous after Brown v. Board of Ed and ordered desegregation of public schools. The good, white Catholics flooded the parish and built schools so they wouldn’t have to integrate. Still today, I asked some of my kids friends attending Catholic high schools - what does your school do to celebrate MLK day or Black History month. (Which by the way, the kids commonly call MLK day National N----r Day - a line they learned well from their parents and have no hesitation in repeating) They do nothing.
Don’t tell me about Elder - they are self serving, self promoting, exclusionary unless a basketball or football is involved (and if they lose their ability to play - they lose their scholarships)
As to the rest of what you said - I agree with most of it. I don’t think urban Jesus would turn a blind eye, he would promote their betterment, not just forgive their weaknesses.
That said, any study of history will show you why and how this concentration of poverty and race is intentional and meant to hold certain people down in order to raise up others (those in control)
03 Jun 2008 at 07:26 am | #
From anon 12:46 am…
Don’t give me this crap about Elder or any other Catholic school
Sounds as if you are not a happy camper as far as the Catholic schools go.
I’m suprised that McAuly doesn’t have an alumni fund as many Catholic high schools do. This fund is for financial assistance to families who can’t afford the high tuiton. The family has to provide doccumentation for all sources of income, expenses, etc. Some of these funds are well into seven figures.
CAHTERINE MCAULEY, founder of the Sisters of Mercy, would not approve of her religious order of nuns turning away a student from a Catholic family because of financial difficulty.
I did have an unpleasant experience at McAuley High School about 20 or so years ago. My daughter was playing high school basketball in a game against McAuley. In the last four seconds of the second quarter the clock did not tick down to 0 as McAuley drove down for a final shot. A nun was the manning the clock. Cahterine McAuley would not have approved of that either!
03 Jun 2008 at 08:40 am | #
This is without a doubt one of the funnier threads I have ever read.
Everyone thinks that their Jesus would support the things they believe in- What a surprise. The only way it could get better is if someone threw in abortion so we could argue about whether jesus should care more about the mother or the child
The best has to be JJ with the comments about Jesus not supporting the “pay or die health care” or a carbon tax? Have you ever even read the bible? Jesus never once used the government as an institution of change_ NEVER. He used his personal powers and the powers of his followers to effect change outside the government.
That is the example Jesus set for us- and one hell of an example it is.
btw dean jesus told us to sell everything and give it to the poor not to give it to the government to give to the poor. The difference between the two is huge
03 Jun 2008 at 11:02 am | #
I never said that.
03 Jun 2008 at 01:50 pm | #
husband36, it’s funny when people talk about the bible as if it’s a historical document. Of course, we’re having what is called a hypothetical conversation here. We are living in a modern world. The bible doesn’t say Jesus used email or a phone either, but that doesn’t mean that if he were alive today he wouldn’t.
I was speaking about the types of values that Jesus talked about and represented. He didn’t represent commercial or what we now call corporate interest, did he?
Jesus sounds like a radical socialist to me. Was Jesus a hippie?
03 Jun 2008 at 03:14 pm | #
That ought to lock up your next council bid..... LMAO
03 Jun 2008 at 11:17 pm | #
White male - then the teachers were lying to me about the kid at Elder doing janitorial work in exchange for his tuition? As to MY daughter, when I got sick I applied for their financial assistance program and was given less than $400 off the $3K+ tuition. I asked where all these funds were going - they said they would rather give everyone who applies (whether they need it or not) a little help then a smaller number of families more. How absolutely ridiculous. But I agree, the founding nuns of our local charity programs would turn over in their graves. My great, great Aunt Sister Marie Therese was a former leader of the Sisters of Charity and her picture hangs on the wall at Mount Saint Joe’s. Catholics have foresaken the tenets of their religion, embraced isolationism (unless they can make money on it), and focused on financial self enrichment.
Don’t give ME crap about the Catholic community - I went to Catholic schools, as did my parents and my children - I have sat at baseball games for CYO and in the pews hearing the most racist, greediest, disgusting things - until finally, I walked out. I know from which I came.
04 Jun 2008 at 06:41 am | #
J.J. asked, “Was Jesus a hippie?” and from everything I’ve read about him I would have to say, yes, Of course. Jesus was a “way out in left field radical, socialistic hippie, a flower child who advocated Love, Peace, and Forgiving your neighbor. Vera Z.
04 Jun 2008 at 11:27 am | #
Justin,
I think Hey-zeus would probably be a political realist in this climate...that he’d understand the political necessity of some of those votes. He’d also clamor for more organization at the lower levels of government in the third parties and for candidates that have a chance of making a difference.
wait...that’s not Jesus...that’s me. But i’m pretty awesome, too.
I don’t think Jesus would support a pro-choice candidate...but i do.
04 Jun 2008 at 06:27 pm | #
All of your experiences w/ Elder and McCauley were before the new school stances on Bully behavior. And being a non-catholic- they were VERY generous with money in my family.
Now if Walnut would have done some of the anti-bully stuff that they are now enforcing at Elder and NCH by the way, they wouldn’t have lost their first chair cellist- who was a 7th grader in the Sr. Hi Orch. who left because the behavior and attitudes there were just as bad and worst than that of SCPA. She begged her grandmother to get her out of there before she felling into the same behavior that got her into trouble as a 5th grader when she was at SCPA. So- out to the country they moved.
Years of counseling- and she is now turned around and will be sophomore- but there are many dirty little secrets at Walnut that just aren’t told. Talk to some of the former teachers from there-the grade fixing scheme was just one of many! And the sex, drugs and R N R of the 60’s is nothing compared to today.
The girl who left- walked with a 94.8 average- was first chair in the Sr. Hi Orch. and is a member of Cinti Youth Orch. and is also competing nationally. She is talented, a brain, and wants nothing to do with the crap going on there.
And by the way- she is moving back home to.....WESTWOOD!!!
How ya like that one Jason!!!! They can’t afford the gas to be driving in to the city for her lessons and practices!
04 Jun 2008 at 08:39 pm | #
NtotheC, Jesus would be a political realist? In other words he would see voting to expand the Pentagon budget, supporting private mercenaries, keeping a for profit (pay or die) health care system, subsidizing nukes over solar and refusing to repeal anti-labor laws as a political necessity.
I don’t think so. Jesus would fight for social justice and a better world. After all, he was a socialist hippie.
06 Jun 2008 at 08:57 am | #
Justin, i was really just making a joke. I know humor is not something they teach around here.
To tell you the truth, Jesus would be entirely apolitical and wouldn’t support any of the candidates...not even your precious Nader. I actually believe that if Jesus were to come back he’d be hailed as a heretic and probably locked up in one of our jails for inciting crowds (that is if he weren’t put in an asylum...but i don’t think they have those any more. It’s much more effective to just put someone in jail).
06 Jun 2008 at 11:03 pm | #
So Jason, the question was asked, are you a Christian, or are you a poser? You seemed to think it important to state your opinion about my beliefs; what about yours?
07 Jun 2008 at 06:08 am | #
I never “posed” as a Christian. Not once in this strand have I claimed to be one.
07 Jun 2008 at 08:09 am | #
Jason:
Posing as one is not the same as claiming to be one. When one spouts scripture, to support ridiculous supposition presented as fact; without qualifying their actual position, that would be considered posing.
I made no claim as to my religious convictions either, yet you felt it had some bearing on this thread, and stated an unsupportable opinion, as fact. Why?
07 Jun 2008 at 10:37 am | #
JFD wrote:
In that final sentence, the word “He” appears to reference Christ. A Christian would not claim “He now says it’s OK to keep the Beamer and/or the Porshe; in fact don’t give till it hurts, just give until you feel comfortable.” Unless that person was a Christian in word only, but not in deed.
I wrote:
I did nothing without “qualification.” I am familiar with the Bible, and I know what it says—and what it says supports my claims. The claim, therefore, is arguably “factual” based on the evidence as I have provided.
Also, why shouldn’t I “spout scripture”? I am a student of literature, and the Bible is a great book.
07 Jun 2008 at 10:39 am | #
BTW, if what I said is not “factual” in terms of what the Bible says, then prove me wrong with relevant quotations from Scripture.
Hint: you won’t be able to do it.
07 Jun 2008 at 03:07 pm | #
Hippie maybe socialist no.
No because there were no multinational corporations at the time. To use you exact logic- that doesnt mean that if he were alive today he wouldn’t.
There was a political system in place when jesus was alive. He did not enter into the system at all. Jesus was apolitical. You saying what jesus would do politically today is the same as a pro-lifer making the same argument. You look just as silly as they do
07 Jun 2008 at 07:39 pm | #
INRI
08 Jun 2008 at 07:30 am | #
Jason:
JFD:
I couldn’t agree with you more, which is probably why Tome calls himself a Christ follower, instead of a Christian.
Jason:
Your right, it’s impossible to find scripture that references your, supposition / fantasy.
There is no reference to:
1) Cincinnati
2) Westwood
3) Section eight apartments
4) Baggy panted candidates
5) A gang of Apostles (Thugs)
6) A modern day urban messiah
So, since there is nothing to support your claim, there is nothing I have do to prove it’s absurdity.
08 Jun 2008 at 08:06 am | #
You are so right. It is not possible to apply the Bible to modern life. When Jesus spent time with the downtrodden, and the outcast, that idea only existed in the context of 2,000 year old Mid-Eastern life and culture. We can learn nothing from it today.
When he found the good in those the rest had designated as the bad, that was not a lesson worth learning for anyone. It is totally meaningless.
08 Jun 2008 at 08:09 am | #
http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/life-of-jesus-modern/jesus-poor.php
08 Jun 2008 at 09:24 am | #
Jason, you claimed your supposition was a fact. It’s not. Does that mean there is nothing to be gleaned from words attributed to Christ? No.
BTW, Christ expressed some thoughts about, unrepentant, pretend to know-it-all types, otherwise known as Pharisees. From what I gather, he held them in pretty low esteem. What would Christ have to say about you? Would he find you to be hypocritical in your criticisms of others? Would he find your willingness to damage others through innuendo (blind item), and other forms of deceit, a virtue? I ask these questions, not because I want an answer, but because; if you’re going to spout scripture to support your cause; you might want to be less selective about which parts of it apply to you.
09 Jun 2008 at 01:49 pm | #
As G.K. Chesterton observed a century ago: