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Saturday, September 29, 2007
Is this the truth? Have “thousands of folks” been “early released” from jail?
Posted by The Dean of Cincinnati
Recently, Todd Portune has suggested that those opposed to the jail tax have deliberately misrepresented facts. What about this video?
Here is what Michael Earl Patton had to say:
Pat DeWine got the information from the Sheriff’s office. He and Leis went over it at the September 10 meeting. The data are through March 12, 2007. Leis said then that he did not have more current data compiled although he would do it.
For 2007: 16, all female
For 2006: 258, of which 128 are male and 130 are female.
For 2005: 266, of which 117 are male and 149 are female.
For 2004: 180, all female.
The sheriff also said on Sept. 10 that no male inmates had been released early since the county started sending them to Butler County.
The sheriff and Portune, in public, call “process only” an early release. That is wrong. They haven’t been convicted yet, let alone sentenced, therefore there is no “early.” Early release pertains only to those who had been sentenced but are released before completing that sentence for one reason or another. Process only means that they were released on their own recognizance following arrest and did not have to post bail.
What is the truth? Which side is deliberately misrepresenting facts?
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29 Sep 2007 at 08:52 pm | #
I can’t speak to the Sheriff’s figures, but in my community we’ve had several criminals released early from the jail.
One such individual, a pomposity, made completely false accusations on a police officer regarding the terms of his arrest & treatment after the arrest. He lied to an investigator, changed the story again for another investigative report & changed it yet again in Court for the Judge & after a recess while this moron reviewed the police car tape, he wove yet another damaging fantasy. (BTW, his outrageous, threatening behavior was all caught on tape. He fired his public defender, but not before he hurled all sorts of gender bias & anti-Semitic slurs.)
This self-possessed piece of mud was given 180 days straight, no 2s, no 3s. I talked with the Sheriff personally at close to the mid-point of this goon’s sentence. Don’t you know, 10 days after this conversation, this undeserving to be fed idiot was released! I didn’t have the guts to tell the police officer who had been so viciously victimized by this creep.
The most recent one was tossed out of jail 6 days early. He’s a real pain in the ass - a crackhead, a thief & a whore.
That’s big & short of it. Also, the Sheriff’s Release jazz is still going on. During the latter part of the summer, they were giving the girls return dates. That much I do know.
Also in keeping track, I noticed lots of boyz were given OR bonds with the promise of keeping their next Court date. Get the Sheriff to tell you how many are now wanted. They don’t show up. Getting busted & going to Court is a big laugh, a real joke for them. And everyone wonders why residents are upset, fearful & leaving town every day.
I don’t like to be critical of the Sheriff, but my information will stand firmly on its own. No hysteria, no bullcrap, no spin, just plain information.
30 Sep 2007 at 05:25 am | #
Yes, it’s true.
I was in court the other day and a domestic violence “gentlemen” was specifically released and given probation and a suspended sentence BECAUSE the jail is so crowded—- there ya go—violent offender (repeat) let out of jail because they can’t hold them all. But, nooooo, there’s no overcrowding problem in Hamilton County.
Just find out how many people have suspended sentences and you’ll begin to get a grasp on the situation - liars
30 Sep 2007 at 12:57 pm | #
So Anon tells us of only three instances where people had been released early. The first was allegedly a liar and a cusser. Why was he given 180 days in the first place? Lying is common even among the police and the court has said police can lie in the course of their work and they have been know to exaggerate often in court, which is not really a legal excuse for the defendant, but I can see where lying might help. If this “piece of mud” might have had legal training, his lies might have been more refined and not detected, but he was probably not very well educated. So , again, why did he get 180 days?
The second got out six days early! Would these six days have changed a person’s way of life? Perhaps if they had not held someone in pre-trial detention for some petty crime allegation, they would have had room for this “...real pain in the ass - a crackhead, a thief & a whore.”, categories which seem to be very subjective.
And finally, anon mentions a “domestic violence “gentlemen””, who got probation, allegedly because the jail is so crowded. If this person was violent and needed to be in jail for the protection of society, I really doubt the judge would not have sent him up to Butler County, where there is room and an existing agreement for housing overflow. maybe the judge could have released one of his defendant for public urination or public intoxication or ....
Just who are the liars????
30 Sep 2007 at 02:33 pm | #
Traffic violations. A simple pay out ticket led to a bench trial. And no, this whacked Defendant had absolutely no legal training whatsoever. In fact, he failed to quiz several parties to the entire case.
The police officer didn’t have to lie, Dieter. You weren’t there. The cruiser cam caught all the action, including this clown’s hijinks in the back seat on his way to the jail.
In addition, the police officer had backup riding with him to completely refute this piece of sh#t’s false allegations.
Dieter, what in the freak do you want? I can give you several instances on early releases. These were just a sampling that came to mind. I’ll get the damned crap looked up when I have a minute. On the other side, why don’t you look for yourself before you go shooting your mouth off?
And just for your information Schmeid, I don’t have to lie to add another side to the story. I don’t know if anyone ever told you, but there are sides to a story, sometimes just the one is put in view.
30 Sep 2007 at 03:24 pm | #
Todd Portune wouldn’t stand silently as his Republican friends misrepresented the facts to the media and our whole community and then turn right around and imply that the NAACP was lying and intentionally misrepresenting the facts would he? Well…
30 Sep 2007 at 05:02 pm | #
Reply to #4:
I was not saying that this particular cop lies; I was speaking of police in general.
On the charge where the defendant performed poorly, he should have had a “competent” public defender if he was looking at jail time. In my mind, since the government wants to support a monopoly for lawyers and the government wants a complex unforgiving legal system, the government should be obligated to pay all legal and out-of-pocket expenses for any citizen they charge and fail to make their case.
And I did not call you a liar.
30 Sep 2007 at 05:03 pm | #
Reply to #4:
I was not saying that this particular cop lies; I was speaking of police in general.
On the charge where the defendant performed poorly, he should have had a “competent” public defender if he was looking at jail time.
In my mind, since the government wants to support a monopoly for lawyers and the government wants a complex unforgiving legal system, the government should be obligated to pay all legal and out-of-pocket expenses for any citizen they charge and fail to make their case.
And I did not call you a liar.
30 Sep 2007 at 09:13 pm | #
One problem the Beacon is suffering from is they want their cake and eat it too. On one hand they want to respected or treated like journalist - getting “press” passes and being privvy to asking questions of public figures - on the other hand, they just don’t want to do the research to back up ANYTHING they say.
I know blogs are supposed to be opinion - usually they have a theme for their audience - but, that opinion without more ( like facts) isn’t thought provoking, it’s merely ramblings.
Your quality of work has really gone in the toilet.
30 Sep 2007 at 10:32 pm | #
Since we started housing prisoner in Butler County, not one male prisoner has been early released or process only. The female early release has been “insignificant” according to the sheriff. When he is speaking to the commissioners on tape, he speaks the truth. When he is out trying to get this super sized tax passed, he lumps early releases in with process only and includes several years.
30 Sep 2007 at 10:35 pm | #
Also, look at Michaels numbers. Last year there were 258 early releases. That is less than one per day. Keep that in mind when thinking about the 35 beds per day we rent to the federal government.
01 Oct 2007 at 12:09 am | #
Schmeid, why don’t you go back & re-read Anon #1’s comments on this case.
The jackass fired his highly competent, well-respected public defender. Anon #1 put that info in there. The defendant a$$hole made gender comments & anti-Semitic slurs.
The government does cover the costs of the legal arena in total, Dieter. Where did you ever get such nonsense? The government always did. In this case, as is in many others, including welfare, food cards, Section 8 housing, it’s passed to bear on the taxpayers.
And I differ from Mr. Gloyd. There have been early set outs at Butler County. Perhaps you’d better check with the Sheriff’s people who run the records.
01 Oct 2007 at 04:35 am | #
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Well, it looks like truth is a defense for any bloggers claim of defamation ?
We wonder if the commission president will speak out on all misrepresentations (lies) ?
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01 Oct 2007 at 09:15 am | #
According to the sheriff, there have been no early releases of male prisoners this year. If I can’t trust the sheriff to give me accurate info, whom do you suggest I get that info from?
01 Oct 2007 at 10:17 am | #
Referring to # 11:
“The jackass fired his highly competent, well-respected public defender.”
Where has it been determined that the public defender was highly competent? How does one make this determination? Are you really that naive? The defendant is hard pressed to make this determination usually, much less a bystander.
“The government does cover the costs of the legal arena in total, Dieter.”
Are you dense or did you just arrive from Mars? Stories abound of individuals and families that have bankrupted themselves with paying legal fees fighting the government cases. The government often uses the legal fees threat to intimidate. Here’s a current relevant article that I just received this morning: http://www.alternet.org/rights/63990/
You had better stay anonymous because of your stupidity.
01 Oct 2007 at 11:04 am | #
I was there when the Sheriff did tell Pat DeWine that there were no early releases of male inmates since the county started sending inmates to Butler County in 2006. That happened at the staff meeting on September 10, 2007.
01 Oct 2007 at 07:33 pm | #
“Judge Ralph Winkler proved not to be a fair judge”
You mean that he didn’t do what you wanted him to, right?
Dieterscheid, if 11 is dense than you must be clinicaly retarted. He had a court ordered public defender. That means he could not pay for an attorney so the court appointed one for him free of charge. Should I restate that for you in simple, one syllable words so that you can try and grasp the meaning of those big words? Perhaps pictures might help?
01 Oct 2007 at 09:25 pm | #
Bill Seitz and Simon Leis, among others, have been caugh lying about the number of early releases. I’m sure by now Todd Portune has taken the time to criticize them for their dishonestly and demand that they no longer be invited to speak at any debates. After all, we cannot have known liars debating this important issue.
Can someone provide me the evidence of Todd Portune standing by his earlier statement on this topic? I’m sure he’s a man of his word.
01 Oct 2007 at 10:43 pm | #
Thank you, Mr. Brockelmann. I’m not even going to dignify Schmeid with a reply. First, he backed up on himself & claimed he didn’t call me a liar. He also backed up somewhat on his dirty cops allegations. Now, I’m stupid & from Mars. Whatever it is in his world. It must be nice to think one is so pure, without stain & blame. (So not.) Although, I strongly suspect he believes the public defender to be incompetent because the individual is female & she’s Jewish. So much for living in Schmeid’s biased world.
Regardless, the taxpayers had to foot the bill on this defendant up until the time he ashcanned her & chose to play Johnnie Cochran. The clown-defendant couldn’t make a patch on Cochran’s coat.
Thank you again, Mr. B.
01 Oct 2007 at 10:52 pm | #
So now Todd Portune is responsible for the war.
Fortunately Jeffre has as much a chance of winning as Nader does. That is to say, no chance at all. The average citizen of Cincinnati views him with amusment at best, and should they wonder onto this site and read his posts or watch his video antics they will see all they need to know about him; he’s an immature little runt and graffiti artist who is running a vanity campaign to stroke his own ego (just like Nader did). A tiny fringe element and a few sad groupies who still have 98Degree posters hanging in their bedrooms will vote for him.
02 Oct 2007 at 12:40 pm | #
Rich Brockelmann, you’re on the wrong thread! Please pay attention.