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Thursday, August 16, 2007
Espo: Bush & Congress duel for least favorable
Posted by Justin Jeffre
The race is on to see if the Democratic led Congress can become less popular than the worst president in the history of our nation. They sure are off to a great start and I think they have what it takes to go all the way to the bottom. Their complete failure to challenge the lame duck and represent the will of our people has become all too predictable.
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17 Aug 2007 at 07:17 am | #
Another of your dud biased articles against Democrats that sits, ignored. Doesn’t that give you a clue?
17 Aug 2007 at 08:05 am | #
You read it.
17 Aug 2007 at 09:28 am | #
One of my favorite questions on these surveys is, “Do you think the country is headed in the right direction ?”.
Well, hell, nobody does. The extreme right thinks we’re too left, the extreme left, too right and the centrists think we’re being run in circles by extremists.
I actually heard an approval rating of congress in the high teens, recently.
17 Aug 2007 at 07:39 pm | #
cincysue, a lack of comments doesn’t mean people haven’t been reading. The title says it all anyway. I was just pointing out the AP article about the poll results. Is the AP biased too?
Quim, it seems to me that extremist have taken over both parties. I don’t think what gets defined as the center is really the center. I think most Americans oppose the war and want us to get out right away. That’s not what the Republican and Democratic leadership is talking about. They are talking about permanent forces and bases in Iraq.
Polls also show the American people want universal healthcare coverage for every American. Kucinich is the only candidate that’s for non-profit health care system that I’m aware of.
17 Aug 2007 at 07:39 pm | #
Yes Dean I read it. As I do most of the other posts. For the same reason I check in and see what FOX news is doing and read the Enquirer, to keep track of what the right is doing.
17 Aug 2007 at 07:55 pm | #
cincysue, you voted for a pro-war candidate and I didn’t.
17 Aug 2007 at 09:18 pm | #
Justin Jeffre - but you put George Bush in office. You’re actually responsible for the war. Had there been no W, there would have been no war. Which is the worst of the sins?
17 Aug 2007 at 10:47 pm | #
It’s also worth noting that most people like their own congressmen.
I’ll likely dance a jig in Hoffner park when comboverboy gets ousted.
17 Aug 2007 at 10:56 pm | #
cincysue:
Prove it.
18 Aug 2007 at 01:26 am | #
“Justin Jeffre - but you put George Bush in office. You’re actually responsible for the war. Had there been no W, there would have been no war. Which is the worst of the sins?”
that’s bizarre
18 Aug 2007 at 08:58 am | #
Hey cincysue, I admire your loyalty to the Democratic Party but Justin is right. Since the Dems have been the majority, in Congress they have not done what they promised to do. They have not taken steps to get us out of Iraq; They have not addressed the issues of poverty or the health care crisis; Nor have they kept the president from taking further steps toward his obvious goal of dismantling the constitutional rights of US citizens, ie. giving him the power to wire tap us without any kind of legal restrictions. Whatever Mr. Bush wants, Mr. Bush gets, and he still has another year in office. Just think
how much damage he could do in a year if he isn’t Impeached. Vera Z
18 Aug 2007 at 09:47 am | #
And Justin the only reason you’re getting any play on here is because I gave a mercy post. Otherwise we’d see that same sad little zero just like always.
18 Aug 2007 at 09:56 am | #
Firstly, the number of reads and the number of comments have no relationship to one another.
Secondly, why do you think you know what would have happened if something other than history occurred? This is just like saying there would be no war if Gore got elected. How in the hell does anyone know that?
I do not support this president or this war, but I don’t know what would have happened if Gore had become president. I can just as easily say that things would be even worse. I’d be on just as solid ground to say that as anything else.
18 Aug 2007 at 01:52 pm | #
Vera - What is George Bush’s party? Did you forget? He’s a Republican not a Democrat. I’m not loyal to the Democrats. They’re a mess. But I work to change my party as millions of others are doing right now instead of retreating from reality with a group who’s time has not yet come and therefore becoming NULL AND VOID in the process and helping to assure Republican victories. How dense can you all be? Either dense or truly Republican operatives. Are you working to change your Republican Party Vera? First we have to get the Republicans out. Then force the Democrats to adapt a progressive people’s agenda and those that don’t boot them out. Only then, when people show that they’ve taken the power, can a 2nd or 3rd or 4th alternative party be viable. At that point I will personally relax and go with a Socialist agenda. But right now, as I’ve said before, it’s too important to play games. Too many dying. Too many starving. And Dean what you say is just conjecture. I say there wouldn’t be a war. The only fact we actually have is that there’s a war right now and your man George Bush started it.
18 Aug 2007 at 06:01 pm | #
cincysue, what is John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman’s party? Did you forget? They are the Democrats that voted to give Bush the authorization to go to war. Democrats have continued to vote to fund the war.
Third parties have always brought about the progressive changes throughout our history. When third parties bring issues to the forefront the major parties steal the popular issues in order to maintain their power.
How have you reformed your party? The reality is that throwing your vote to the Democratic Party isn’t reforming it. All the attempts to reform your party have completely failed. Your party supports the war, NAFTA, the Patriot Act and every other policy that the lame duck is pushing.
How are you going to force the corporate Democrats to adapt a progressive people’s agenda? Seriously, I’d like to know.
How can you get rid of all the Republicans? Is that realistic? How will the Green Party’s time come if we don’t start building it? Are we supposed to wait until angry Democrats say it’s OK for us to exercise our rights?
George Bush couldn’t have launched the war without the support of the Democrats and he couldn’t continue it without their support now. Clinton was for regime change in Iraq and Gore’s running mate Lieberman is the biggest champion of the war besides Bush. You’re assumption that Gore wouldn’t have gone to war is pure conjecture. We do know that he would’ve had bipartisan support if he had.
19 Aug 2007 at 02:09 am | #
Cincysue,
Here is an excerpt from The New American. It describes the situation we find ourselves in at this moment in history.
Publication: The New American
Publication Date: 08-MAR-04
Format: Online - approximately 2242 words
Delivery: Immediate Online Access
Author: Behreandt, Dennis
Article Excerpt
“An examination of Democratic and Republican Party politics in recent decades shows that, no matter how far to the left the Republicans move, the Democrats move even further to the left, enabling both the liberal-left politicians and the major media to continue portraying the Republicans as conservative. Each new bipartisan “compromise” becomes the new “conservative” position justifying future “compromises” that will move the country even further to the left. In fact, over time it has become increasingly difficult to detect any substantive differences between the two major parties.
Political rhetoric and appearances aside, the U.S. government has become more socialistic and more internationalist during periods of both Republican and Democrat administrations. The voters may vote one president out in favor of another, but the basic policies remain intact even when the political leadership changes.
Quigley’s Formula
This is not by happenstance; in fact, it follows a design advocated by Carroll Quigley in his monumental 1966 study Tragedy and Hope. Therein the late Georgetown University professor explained: “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”
In addition to this, Quigley argued, there is one other benefit to having two political parties, each with the same program. Should either party become corrupt of unenterprising while in office, “Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”
What are those “basic policies” that, according to Quigley, are “vital and necessary for America” and “disputable only in details of procedure, priority, of method”? Quigley wrote, “we must remain strong, continue to function as a great world Power in cooperation with other Powers.”
NOTE: All illustrations and photos have been removed from this article.
This is the same Professor Quigley that mentored Mr. William Jefferson Clinton while he studied at Georgetown and arranged his Rhodes Schlorship. Clinton’s rise to power was no accident and he is a traitor to the American People and the Constitution for the united States. If you open your eyes and quit trying to blame everybody we might get to a point where we can unite to fix the problem. Or Not, in any case you haven’t changed your tune and you are really boring me.
19 Aug 2007 at 09:36 am | #
I’m not going to continue to argue with you. There will never be a meeting of the minds. You have no strategy to promote Green Party positions or candidates. I could respect that. You barely admit that Bush and the Republicans even exist or have had any impact on the country the last 6, 7 years throwing it all in the laps of the Democrats. Say there wasn’t an Iraq war. There was a Katrina. Look how that was bungled. Bush appointees in charge of the environment, energy, the courts, education—all disastrous. In fact the most recent mine disaster is another Bush fox guarding the hen house appointment, lifting safety and permitting mine owners to force workers into depths twice as deep as has been acceptable for a century. Privatization gone amok with everything from issuing passports to delivering the mail at Walter Reed turning out to be just a way of funneling money to more of his friends while you and your cohorts scream about government waste.
Your mission is to promote the Republican party. I know that you have a President Guiliani or Romney on your radar this time. Thankfully there are many fewer of you this time around to tip the scales to the Republicans. That must hurt you. I stick by everything I’ve said. Maybe the Green Party still has honest intentions and ideals. I reread some of Fritakis’s articles recently and he’s sometimes balanced, but you specifically, in my opinion, are just another rich Republican trying to distinguish yourself from the pack by pretending to be a Green.
20 Aug 2007 at 01:50 pm | #
Justin is a Republican now? Wow, we learn new things every day, thanks to pure, misinformed partisan hackery. Keep up the good work, Cincy-Sue!
Both the Republican frat and the Demofrat feel threatened by parties that aren’t themselves. The one thing they agree on is a system that keeps other parties out.
Keep on giving them money so they can afford the focus groups they need to have opinions!
21 Aug 2007 at 02:35 am | #
Thanks for repeating all of the right-wing talking points, Justin. You should apply for a job with Fox News.
Why don’t you tell your readers the whole story Justin? The truth is that the current set of Congressional approval numbers under Democratic leadership look about the same—if not a tad better—than what the Republican Congress had in October, before the 2006 elections. And for real chutzpah, have a look at the fact that Republicans as a group currently have a lower approval rating than do Congressional Democrats,by a significant margin.
An even more interesting poll would be to see your positive/negative numbers amongst likely Cincinnati voters (or Hamilton County/Ohio/Kentucky voters, depending upon whatever office you’ve decided to run for this week).
21 Aug 2007 at 07:47 pm | #
According to an article in USA Today, novice Democratic freshman are far ahead of even senior Republicans in fundraising. The right-wing media,(including this site) the same media that supported the war and deified George Bush despite 70% of Americans opposing him, are putting out the phoney polls and the misinformation about Democrats. Jeffre is desperate for another Republican win and thinks this is a way to get it.